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« on: July 09, 2010, 10:03:38 am »

Hello all,

I'm currently considering working in the Security Industry. I have previously done security work at various events, I have also got my SIA license which is required now here in the UK to do any kind of security work.

So I was wondering, is there anyone here that currently works in this line of work? If so, what do you do and do you like it? Also, if anyone here is a security guard and works 12 hour shifts, how do you get your day in!?
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 11:45:06 am »

works 12 hour shifts, how do you get your day in!?

Unless you are working sick overtime, you get your day in on your 3-4 days off. Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2010, 07:30:52 am »

yeah a few things, about security.  As a security guard, you will basically be a uniformed babysitter.  the uk and canada are pushing for stricter licensing and in Canada, testing before licensing, but you still cannot detain, use force, or defend yourself with a weapon of any kind.  sweet deal right?

Next, most security companies hire way too many guards, so they have a huge pool of guys getting part time hours. So when they call you last minute, you jump at the chance for a shift. Don't expect to get more than 24 hours a week, unless the company has a lot of solid contracts.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2010, 11:38:07 am »

Yeah here in the states it is mostly call in shifts. We don't get weapons but there is a police car parked a few feet away at all times. and yeah, it is totally a baby sitting job.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2010, 09:41:16 pm »

yeah a few things, about security.  As a security guard, you will basically be a uniformed babysitter.  the uk and canada are pushing for stricter licensing and in Canada, testing before licensing, but you still cannot detain, use force, or defend yourself with a weapon of any kind.  sweet deal right?

For the record, you can detain people depending on the company you are with. But as far as I know, no one does it because there is no insurance against a mishandled arrest (like cops have) so if you did any little thing wrong you could get in major shit.

And you can defend yourself with a weapon, but again most companies don't allow it due to insurance. However I HAVE seen guards allowed to carry batons and pepperspray. I unfortunately get the good ol' 3-cell maglite. If you are lucky enough to be a armored car guard, they are the only ones I know of who get to carry firearms (except bodyguards in certain scenarios)

But basically, yeah uniformed adult babysitter. Luckily many people have some assumptions about guards (i.e. they think we make arrests) that can help you. Just make sure you never outright say/imply you can do something that you can't. I find refraining to correct people is the best way of doing this, without actually mentioning it.

Edit: Also, expect to work part time (on call, more than likely), night shift, long shifts (10 or 12 hours), or all of the above. The cushy, full time, daytime, 8 hour (if the company even offers it) shifts are ALWAYS taken, and likely will always be filled by someone who's been working there a long time. If you want such a shift, they will literally put you on a list. I got lucky, I got a 10 hour night shift, but it's full time and at a good site. This gives me 3 full days off, a steady schedule (i work the same days every week) and enough time to do stuff in the day.

Halloween is luckier, he works 12s but he works a full time day shift.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2010, 10:25:53 am »

I'd suggest getting into armored car guards.  Those guys are allowed to carry firearms, and down here, rifles. From what I gather in liberal states, the training requirements are quite lax, and guards are limited to revolvers (California). A friend of mine in CA who is not a gun guy explained that they need to shoot something like 50 rounds at a silhouette from 5 yards once per year. I have a different security friend who takes it upon himself to train or schedule training for his employees, and actively participates in their skill at arms. The last pistol-carbine course I took, my Armor pal was there with about 3 of his new hires. That is why I'd prefer armor over being a mall cop. They roll with shotguns in the wild west.

edit: or join the police.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 10:55:07 am »

However I HAVE seen guards allowed to carry batons and pepperspray. I unfortunately get the good ol' 3-cell maglite.
Yeah pal, it is a sad state of affairs when you say hi to the security guard at your favorite haunt. The security guard is fully decked out in a pressed uniform, and they have a whistle & cellphone. While you're in your pop-culture camouflage and packing more firepower than they ever considered reasonable. 

*sigh* I sure hope they don't need to save anyone, or stop gunmen.

Of course, in the same store I once saw some hawt mom packing a 1911 in Condition1. ...and some fat scum bag with a HK-USP dangling around his side hanging from his sweat pants.

It is official, I hate HK pistols.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2010, 08:30:45 pm »

Data: officially, if a violent situation happens, I'm supposed to sternly tell them to stop and call police.

Seriously. A guard at a different site got hospitalized because his coworkers weren't allowed to do anything.

I carry my mag-lite on patrols, and i have a personal baton in my bag (which is next to me when I'm at my desk) 'officially' the personal baton is only for carry to and from work (yes, seriously, i can be better armed off duty than on) but unofficially, I think you know.

Although, if someone takes a swing at you self defense laws override any stupid security rules. Which is sad we need to let it get that far.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2010, 05:45:56 pm »

As ACTA and even more draconian security and "internet enforcement" tactics come into play - there will be jobs working for the NWO busting file sharers.  You might consider getting a job with your local big ISP and getting MS Security Certs.
If nothing else - learn to defend yourself and your own privacy online.

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2010, 10:34:56 am »

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And you can defend yourself with a weapon, but again most companies don't allow it due to insurance. However I HAVE seen guards allowed to carry batons and pepperspray. I unfortunately get the good ol' 3-cell maglite. If you are lucky enough to be a armored car guard, they are the only ones I know of who get to carry firearms (except bodyguards in certain scenarios)

Been there, done that.  All of it.  13 years' worth.

I went into security because I liked guns in a totally gun-unfriendly environment, and because it worked around my school schedule at the time.  I will say that it absolutely sucks as a career.

I've done everything from the babysitting to the night watchman to armored car to bodyguarding to watching cameras to patrolling empty parking lots and construction sites.

I've worked "slickbelt" -- no weapons or anything else other than a NON-maglite flashlight, I've worked "everything BUT firearm", I've worked "Full gear" (Firearm and all related duty gear), I've worked in uniform, and I've worked plainclothes.

The novelty wears off after about 6 months.

You have the highest chance of getting killed in armored car.  But they generally get cool toys -- be wary of what's issued to you, and remember that a for-profit company may or may not maintain their weapons appropriately.  Also, many armored companies do NOT let you use your own firearm and don't allow you to take home your duty weapon regularly.  Just FYI.  Others are cool with you carrying your own equipment.

The State/Country in which you reside, their laws, and company policy all dictate your rules of engagement.  Everything said here in this thread is technically correct, even though it seems contradictory, because of the myriad of factors that come into play when working a nebulously defined line of work such as security.

Several things are the same, however, no matter where you go, I have found.

1) It is an underpaid, poorly-benefitted profession.
2) You will almost always be looked down upon either as a wannabe or a woo-woo by those in "official" law enforcement.
3) You will almost always be inadequately equipped and understaffed to actually handle the situations you will be put in.

You must use your head.

Having an attorney on retainer doesn't hurt, either.

However, being in "The Business" also gives you access to toys you might not otherwise have had access to, even if you're not fully "law enforcement." (in some states, however, you actually ARE).

It behooves you to take advantage of any and all training you can get your hands on, either provided by your company or otherwise.  Every single certification you carry in your wallet that is yours (and not your company's) is another bargaining chip for when you move to the next company for a better position and more money.  And you WILL change companies, because many times, raises are nonexistent.  For many years, the way I got a raise was to go to another company with my credentials and increased experience and got more money per hour that way.

In order to be more than just a rock with a heartbeat, you need to be pretty sharp.  Situational awareness is absolutely paramount, which is why Wogs tend to gravitate towards this line of work -- we live and breathe and nearly take for granted the skills that are required to perform adequately -- believe it or not, it's hard for some sheeple to do this work.

Wearing a uniform WILL make you a target...and not just for violence, but for insults and ridicule as well.  You need to have a pretty thick skin to do this work and not take things personally or it will eat you up.  Expect to go hungry, without sleep, and sustain minor injuries as a matter of course;  It behooves you to be prepared for these contingencies.

You will be frustrated by your rules of engagement, your incompetent managment, your silly laws you have to abide by that hogtie your efforts to do well, incompetent co-workers (if you have them, many posts are solo -- remember what I said about being underequipped and outnumbered as a matter of course), a rude and nearly brain-dead public, including getting shat upon by the very people you are trying to protect.

If you choose to stomach this...and it will give you social experience you can't get anywhere else...if you're socially awkward, security will make or break you.  Either you'll become one of those mall cop goobers everybody makes fun of, or you'll end up a decent human being who wears the uniform and does the job well.

Wear Body Armor, if you can.  For two reasons:  1) Because yes, you ARE a target, and 2) It conditions you to a certain level of constant, low-level discomfort, which will be very useful in the future should things become untenable OUTSIDE of work.

Security lets you get familiar with equipment on the job that you may eventually need to survive in your daily life.  As such, I believe all Wogs should do at least a tour of 2 years in the business to figure out what works for you and what doesn't.  Along with the mindset of improvise, overcome, adapt (former US Marines and other adaptive military personnel make good security people...not because of the uniform, but because of the ability to adapt to adverse conditions exacerbated by bureaucracy), it will provide you real-world experience in dealing with difficult situations and people.

But never forget...this is real life, real people, and if you screw up badly enough, you could get Real Dead.

With all that...welcome to the business.  Galls, Inc. is one of the places I shopped while I was in most of my professions:  1 800 477 7766.  They've got the gear you can use, if you can use it.  Prices are reasonable for the budget-conscious professional as well as premium for those who can afford it.

There are people in the forums (as you can see) who have been or are in the business.  Feel free to ask specific questions, with the understanding beforehand that every location, every company, every JOB is different.  Many times, a "what would you do?" or "what DID you do when you had this?" are going to be your best questions.  Because one thing about security -- sometimes you just never know where you're going to end up.

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2010, 02:59:47 pm »

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And you can defend yourself with a weapon, but again most companies don't allow it due to insurance. However I HAVE seen guards allowed to carry batons and pepperspray. I unfortunately get the good ol' 3-cell maglite. If you are lucky enough to be a armored car guard, they are the only ones I know of who get to carry firearms (except bodyguards in certain scenarios)

Been there, done that.  All of it.  13 years' worth.

I went into security because I liked guns in a totally gun-unfriendly environment, and because it worked around my school schedule at the time.  I will say that it absolutely sucks as a career.

I've done everything from the babysitting to the night watchman to armored car to bodyguarding to watching cameras to patrolling empty parking lots and construction sites.

I've worked "slickbelt" -- no weapons or anything else other than a NON-maglite flashlight, I've worked "everything BUT firearm", I've worked "Full gear" (Firearm and all related duty gear), I've worked in uniform, and I've worked plainclothes.

The novelty wears off after about 6 months.

You have the highest chance of getting killed in armored car.  But they generally get cool toys -- be wary of what's issued to you, and remember that a for-profit company may or may not maintain their weapons appropriately.  Also, many armored companies do NOT let you use your own firearm and don't allow you to take home your duty weapon regularly.  Just FYI.  Others are cool with you carrying your own equipment.

The State/Country in which you reside, their laws, and company policy all dictate your rules of engagement.  Everything said here in this thread is technically correct, even though it seems contradictory, because of the myriad of factors that come into play when working a nebulously defined line of work such as security.

Several things are the same, however, no matter where you go, I have found.

1) It is an underpaid, poorly-benefitted profession.
2) You will almost always be looked down upon either as a wannabe or a woo-woo by those in "official" law enforcement.
3) You will almost always be inadequately equipped and understaffed to actually handle the situations you will be put in.

You must use your head.

Having an attorney on retainer doesn't hurt, either.

However, being in "The Business" also gives you access to toys you might not otherwise have had access to, even if you're not fully "law enforcement." (in some states, however, you actually ARE).

It behooves you to take advantage of any and all training you can get your hands on, either provided by your company or otherwise.  Every single certification you carry in your wallet that is yours (and not your company's) is another bargaining chip for when you move to the next company for a better position and more money.  And you WILL change companies, because many times, raises are nonexistent.  For many years, the way I got a raise was to go to another company with my credentials and increased experience and got more money per hour that way.

In order to be more than just a rock with a heartbeat, you need to be pretty sharp.  Situational awareness is absolutely paramount, which is why Wogs tend to gravitate towards this line of work -- we live and breathe and nearly take for granted the skills that are required to perform adequately -- believe it or not, it's hard for some sheeple to do this work.

Wearing a uniform WILL make you a target...and not just for violence, but for insults and ridicule as well.  You need to have a pretty thick skin to do this work and not take things personally or it will eat you up.  Expect to go hungry, without sleep, and sustain minor injuries as a matter of course;  It behooves you to be prepared for these contingencies.

You will be frustrated by your rules of engagement, your incompetent managment, your silly laws you have to abide by that hogtie your efforts to do well, incompetent co-workers (if you have them, many posts are solo -- remember what I said about being underequipped and outnumbered as a matter of course), a rude and nearly brain-dead public, including getting shat upon by the very people you are trying to protect.

If you choose to stomach this...and it will give you social experience you can't get anywhere else...if you're socially awkward, security will make or break you.  Either you'll become one of those mall cop goobers everybody makes fun of, or you'll end up a decent human being who wears the uniform and does the job well.

Wear Body Armor, if you can.  For two reasons:  1) Because yes, you ARE a target, and 2) It conditions you to a certain level of constant, low-level discomfort, which will be very useful in the future should things become untenable OUTSIDE of work.

Security lets you get familiar with equipment on the job that you may eventually need to survive in your daily life.  As such, I believe all Wogs should do at least a tour of 2 years in the business to figure out what works for you and what doesn't.  Along with the mindset of improvise, overcome, adapt (former US Marines and other adaptive military personnel make good security people...not because of the uniform, but because of the ability to adapt to adverse conditions exacerbated by bureaucracy), it will provide you real-world experience in dealing with difficult situations and people.

But never forget...this is real life, real people, and if you screw up badly enough, you could get Real Dead.

With all that...welcome to the business.  Galls, Inc. is one of the places I shopped while I was in most of my professions:  1 800 477 7766.  They've got the gear you can use, if you can use it.  Prices are reasonable for the budget-conscious professional as well as premium for those who can afford it.

There are people in the forums (as you can see) who have been or are in the business.  Feel free to ask specific questions, with the understanding beforehand that every location, every company, every JOB is different.  Many times, a "what would you do?" or "what DID you do when you had this?" are going to be your best questions.  Because one thing about security -- sometimes you just never know where you're going to end up.

2x


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Security is a shit job...period, full stop.....but I have to say, I enjoy it more than sitting behind a computer all day trying to look busy and filling in Excel spreadsheets. You WILL work shifts you arent scheduled, you WILL have your shift changed without your knowledge or consent, you WILL work midnights whether you want to or not, the people you work for WILL look down on you, the company you work for and the site you contract to will NOT listen to ANY of your suggestions, people WILL try and fight you for the stupidest reasons imaginable, but security work has its upsides for sure...I am able to Study for Paramedic School/watch movies/play video games for 8hrs a day with no real responsibilities...but this has taken 3 years of security work to finally find a good site that I like, I have worked "slickbelt" at Gas Stations at 3am in the WORST parts of town, I have worked apartment complexes, I have worked Bank buildings and corporate offices, my worst gig was at a Fed-Ex ground terminal. Be prepared for the bullshit if you join the incompetent ranks of this field Roll Eyes

like 2x said, try and go armed if you can, and try to find a company that isnt out to screw you over at every turn (good luck) but WHATEVER you do, stay away from Securitas. Be ready to have your company and/or site bought out by Securitas..but whatever you do, do NOT work for them.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2010, 12:19:42 am »

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I absolutely could not have said this any better.....AMEN BROTHER.

Security is a shit job...period, full stop.....but I have to say, I enjoy it more than sitting behind a computer all day trying to look busy and filling in Excel spreadsheets. You WILL work shifts you arent scheduled, you WILL have your shift changed without your knowledge or consent, you WILL work midnights whether you want to or not, the people you work for WILL look down on you, the company you work for and the site you contract to will NOT listen to ANY of your suggestions, people WILL try and fight you for the stupidest reasons imaginable, but security work has its upsides for sure...I am able to Study for Paramedic School/watch movies/play video games for 8hrs a day with no real responsibilities...but this has taken 3 years of security work to finally find a good site that I like, I have worked "slickbelt" at Gas Stations at 3am in the WORST parts of town, I have worked apartment complexes, I have worked Bank buildings and corporate offices, my worst gig was at a Fed-Ex ground terminal. Be prepared for the bullshit if you join the incompetent ranks of this field Roll Eyes

like 2x said, try and go armed if you can, and try to find a company that isnt out to screw you over at every turn (good luck) but WHATEVER you do, stay away from Securitas. Be ready to have your company and/or site bought out by Securitas..but whatever you do, do NOT work for them.

Not to rain on your parade but I get to do that as a SysAdmin with a managed services provider Smiley but yeah security is a total crap job, you tend to be a scape goat for a lot of things, and heaven forbid something happens that was out of your control... yeah I had enough of that in the military, But at least with the military normal people looked up to me and were willing to get me drunk. In my opinion use security as a means to either take a break or to get some where, unless you get in with an armored car or transport unit, its not really that great of a career option.
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2010, 12:24:13 am »

Building on what Kus said about being a scapegoat, to survive the bureaucracy of being in security, document anything WELL. If you make a suggestion or voice a concern, make it in writing. If you are told to allow/do something by a supervisor, document when, what, where, who. Be very specific when documenting, and if you are allowed, retain a copy for personal records. Good documentation will SAVE your ass if you are accused of doing or not doing something falsely.
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2010, 02:06:35 am »

To expand upon what Yugosaki said, that isn't just for security, that is for EVERYTHING in this modern world. If you call in for a service call, get the Reps Name, times you called, REPID if they use one, and keep that all jotted down. Keep every little contract scrap of paper, promise, everything. The more data you have to support wild claims you make in todays modern legal system the more likely it is for you to come out on top. Document everything you do to the painfully boring details. It may save your life one day, or at the very least if you die some one can come up behind you and pick up your torch with out missing a step. But to this note since every one takes in all kinds of sensitive data all the time, Locking file cabinets or boxes, bonus points if they are fire proof.
  Also ALWAYS if a sales rep promises you something either get it immediately from them or make sure its in writing. As I tell all people that join the Army "If it wasn't written into the contract you signed at enlistment, you didn't get it. better luck next time." When at all possible READ EVERY PIECE OF PAPER YOU SIGN, there is a point where with common sense its a boiler plate that they just printed your name on (ELUAs, Employment Contracts, etc) but that doesn't excuse you from reading it. You are responsible for whats in there and you should be aware of whats in there before you sign. If there is some legal-ize that you dont understand and they are not willing to allow you to take it to a lawyer or they get really shady about you calling some one to help you understand it, Im willing to bet you dont want that contract.
  I really should put this wisdom down more too but know the terms for everything. Know how much that shiny new TV from MEGA-CORP Rent to Own is really going to cost. If you know that I am willing to bet that you will just save the money up and buy a better one out right. but ill stop here because I am starting to beat this into the ground and its starting to become a money matters speech... hmm maybe I should submit that to pa1n  Cool
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2010, 01:46:50 pm »

Story time: a few months ago I wrote a report on  b&e at work, Later when i was at home a investigator called me to ask for details, I asked her what she needed to know that wasn't in the report. So then she actually READ it and apologized for calling me. Yes, it was that thorough.
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