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« on: March 20, 2008, 12:46:58 PM » |
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This long article got me going hog wild. Basically stated if you click on a link that might be linked to fake child pr0n, you might be getting a visit from the FBI. (If your in the US.) Take a look and see what you think.. This might be an article that Sean or Cimm forward to Sean might want to comment on since he's working in this area. http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9899151-38.html?tag=nefd.lede
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2008, 04:14:47 PM » |
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One of the guys here at my work had his computer confiscated the other day by the FBI. He said that he is pretty sure that there is nothing illegal on it but what if? There could be anything, really, from cache files to hackers to limewire etc. If they want to get you they will. I saw a list of their priorities in the Military Commissions Act of 2007 and it is, in this order:
1. Child Porn 2. Drug users 3. Terrorists
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 08:02:08 PM » |
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The reason why I used this subject line and why I used made this topic in news was because if the FBI can find ways to just create some simple lure and charge you for no reason, what is it going to stop them from coming up with "Worse" ideas?
They basically used a no-ip.com address to hop it to a government web server. Sooooo.. I'll let every one read the article to get a picture of what is going on..
It really doesn't take a lot now to nail some one with CP charges if its just a redirected link..
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2008, 06:31:40 PM » |
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Yeah, I hear ya. I thought it was interesting that they had child porn and drugs higher on their list than terrorism. But I guess that shouldn't surprise me, after all, they do control the terrorism right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2008, 03:55:39 PM » |
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If ATT can filter this out via there network *they handle most of the Comcast and other backbone traffic on the west coast of the US* out this type of stuff, the Us government can data mine at Network Access Points (Naps) and the MPAA/RIAA push to get ISP's to filter out copyrighted material. What stops them from controlling our network society? Here is another point in the cog. MPAA is now pushing all over the world to filter out and unplug Pirates. Now what if this technology was used to filter out other network services like gamers? http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9905266-7.html
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2008, 05:17:39 PM » |
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...said on Thursday that it's in the best interests of Internet providers to sift through data traveling across their networks and interrupt transmissions that violate copyright law... Does that sound like a threat to you? I think I heard that exact phrase in the Godfather just before they blew up the corner drugstore.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 02:39:44 PM » |
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Wow, this story got me all riled up. It really seems like entrapment, their explanation of why it is not seems kinda weak. While I am not a big fan of pedophiles, the tactics used to collect a search warrant seem extreme to me. While I agree trading in child porn is wrong, wouldn't it make more sense to go after the creators of the porn than the traders? With the advent of computer graphics, one could argue (weakly) that it was believed that the images were computer generated, not real children. What happens when those computer graphics get good enough (and they are REALLY close) where you can not discern the real from the computer generated? Not only that, I would go so far as to speculate this is a trial run, using this idea on "perverts" to test the legality. Once legal precedence is established, I think you might see more of this type of thing used to catch "terrorists" or "drug dealers." At some point, our curosity and hunger for knowledge will itself, be illegal.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 03:36:23 PM » |
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What stops them from controlling our network society? Here is another point in the cog. MPAA is now pushing all over the world to filter out and unplug Pirates. Now what if this technology was used to filter out other network services like gamers? http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9905266-7.htmlJim Williams said the following: "I believe they will find the incentive to make their networks more efficient for all of their paying customers," Williams said. "If they can reduce some of the infringing content, then there will be more capacity for their paying customers." What this retard does not understand that its the "pirates" as he calls them that drive the development of new and better IT infrastructure. What the heck does he think all the bandwidth is used for ? There would be only corporates left if everyone stopped downloading movies and such. Also where does he get off that watching avi's is pirated. I loathe watching material on my TV. Its like eating off the floor when you have dined in the finest restaurants. Watching material on a PC is actually BETTER. Who cares about the legality thereof. This is NOT the point. This Jim fellow is simply one of the generic clueless mouthpieces of an industry with its head buried in the ground. What they should be doing is supplying people with the AVI's on a subscription basis. I would be only too glad to pay for that. Allow me to schedule the downloads, have the downloads and boom... watch them when I like. Not when the network gets it together to show them at midnight if it suites them. These guys are like the trolls of the ancient mythology. Thick, slow, dim witted and resistent to any form of reasoning or influence. I hope they rot. Err. did I mention its not about the money ? 
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2008, 03:41:17 PM » |
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Yeah, I hear ya. I thought it was interesting that they had child porn and drugs higher on their list than terrorism. But I guess that shouldn't surprise me, after all, they do control the terrorism right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_CarrilesFrom that article ..."Luis Clemente Faustino Posada Carriles (born February 15, 1928) is a Cuban-born Venezuelan anti-Castro terrorist. A former CIA operative, Posada has been convicted in absentia of involvement in various terrorist attacks and plots in the Western hemisphere, including involvement in the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed seventy-three people[1][2] and has admitted to his involvement in other terrorist plots including a string of bombings in 1997 targeting fashionable Cuban hotels and nightspots" So he was abscent from the court procedings. Hence the in-abstentia part. And somehow he "admitted" to his involvement. This is great. I wonder if he can be jailed "in-abstentia" as well. That would be great.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 02:26:52 AM » |
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If there was actually any thing on the television, radio or dare I say media outlets, do you think people would watch?
Probably would watch more than the Drivel pile drivers, ultimate kickboxing, monster truck shows and news from the front that never changed except with the presidential inauguration.
Honestly, no television, newspaper or much else in the US is worth consuming. If you pay attention for even 1/2 half of one second, you'll realize that its all put into your benefit and consumption just so they can sell more tabloid issues of more of it with more drivel added. Reading my local newspaper from the news stand yesterday made me realize that even the local newsmedia in my town is Tabloid fodder?
So it does not just infect the MPAA/RIAA. IF they cannot CONTROL what you see and hear or stick into your brain and your finally given the choice of what you want to consume, what would you chose?
The whole media play as I call it from the RIAA/MPAA/Media outlets to the National Broadcasters to the radio outlets are trying to do one thing? If they cannot do that cradle-to-grave, what kind of operation would they have?
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 02:42:12 PM » |
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Yeah, I hear ya. I thought it was interesting that they had child porn and drugs higher on their list than terrorism. But I guess that shouldn't surprise me, after all, they do control the terrorism right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_CarrilesFrom that article ..."Luis Clemente Faustino Posada Carriles (born February 15, 1928) is a Cuban-born Venezuelan anti-Castro terrorist. A former CIA operative, Posada has been convicted in absentia of involvement in various terrorist attacks and plots in the Western hemisphere, including involvement in the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed seventy-three people[1][2] and has admitted to his involvement in other terrorist plots including a string of bombings in 1997 targeting fashionable Cuban hotels and nightspots" So he was abscent from the court procedings. Hence the in-abstentia part. And somehow he "admitted" to his involvement. This is great. I wonder if he can be jailed "in-abstentia" as well. That would be great. He was actually arrested in Fla and given a pardon by Bush about a year and a half ago. There were a lot of local stories about it. I think I read about it in the Miami Herald or the Sun. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-posada7-2008may07,0,1699509.story?track=rss
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2008, 03:54:54 PM » |
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Enloopius: if this thread is about crappy US laws "in the name of children" what does a cuban bomber/cia operative have to do with this?
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 04:17:16 PM » |
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The top 3 priorities for the Patriot Act are child porn, drugs, and terrorists in that order. They have put these three in the same group as the most offensive crimes of this "war on terror." They are going to take away our internet access under the guise of "net neutrality" while using the excuse of protecting the children from child porn while they let known terrorists go. The hypocrisy is astounding. They have obviously lied to us and are confusing the subjects.
The CIA/Cuban terrorist is not only let go, but given parties and a free pass, while me and you are having our computers searched and recorded with out our knowledge while using the excuse of protecting the kids. All the while we just accept this and the press keeps pumping out stories in their favor. I don't know about you, but that really gets me Teed off.
You can't talk about the tyrannical laws passed in the name of the children without referring to the rest of the picture and the hypocrisy it is based in. While they seem like different subjects, they are in the same body of law. This is how the man works; he puts a law together that covers three seemingly different subjects and then mixes them up and confuses them. In that way he (the man) is able to make child porn worse than terrorism.
I see these things as related because they are in the same body of law, and they are supposed to be related if they are written in the same bill.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 02:39:26 PM » |
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While most normal people agree that child porn is a bad thing, what I want to know is why there is this apparent proliferation of child porn.
It is ....
1. Another ploy to get public support for some daft government plan. IE unite the people to support the new plan to blow up XYZ. This seems plausible given the US governments crappy past.
2. Are the number of child porno desperado guys actually on the rise (independent of the rise in population). So basically the "weirdos per thousand" ratio is climbing steadily.
If its no. 2 then what the heck is causing it ? That should be our real concern. I find it strange that shows like "criminal minds" show up on TV but they cannot explain the social variables that lead to the number of freak show folks out there. IE once we have determined that the number is climbing then we can act. Until then neighbours just worry about who in the street is going to be a kiddie fiddler. Very sad if you ask me.
Then again if its a gov plot, that is also very sad. Only it wouldnt be the first time they lie to the public to garner support for some rights restricting reality distorting law that they need passing.
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