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« on: March 13, 2008, 01:58:55 PM »

I didn't know where to post this.  I stumbled across it reading my hotmail.  I'll let you make your own conclusions:

Quoted from MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23356049

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Drug-resistant strain now in 45 countries
Experts also worry about the spread of XDR-TB, or extensively drug-resistant TB, a strain virtually untreatable in poor countries. When an XDR-TB outbreak was identified in AIDS patients in South Africa in 2006, it killed nearly every patient within weeks. WHO's report said XDR-TB has now been found in 45 countries.

Globally, there are about 500,000 new cases of drug-resistant TB every year, about 5 percent of the 9 million new TB cases. In the United States, 1.2 percent of TB cases were multi-drug resistant. Of those, 1.9 percent were extensively drug-resistant.

The highest rates of drug-resistant TB were in eastern Europe. Nearly a quarter of all TB cases in Baku, Azerbaijan, were drug-resistant, followed by about 20 percent in Moldova and 16 percent in Donetsk, Ukraine, WHO said.

High rates of drug-resistant TB were also found in China and India, the world's two most populous nations that together are home to half the world's cases.

Drug-resistant TB arises when primary TB treatment is poor. Countries with strong treatment programs, like the U.S. and other Western nations, should theoretically have very little drug-resistant TB.

That is not the case in China, however, where the government says 94 percent of TB patients complete their first TB treatment.

"There's a huge, gross discrepancy there if they are then reporting 25 percent of the world's multi-drug resistant TB cases," said Mark Harrington, executive director of Treatment Action Group, a public health think tank. "They are clearly nurturing a multi-drug resistant TB epidemic and failing to report XDR-TB at all."

With growing numbers of drug-resistant TB patients, there is concern some national health systems will soon be overwhelmed.

It's a bit disconcerting.

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2008, 10:29:49 AM »

Ok, its stories just like this that make me paranoid (not that i'm not already.) I read another story last month in which they said that aids was found to be an altered version of Ebola, and that would mean that it is a man made virus. If you could engineer a way to make a two part KO punch that had almost 100% effectiveness, you could really do some damage while making sure that you were not one of the targets.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2008, 10:20:24 PM »

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I read another story last month in which they said that aids was found to be an altered version of Ebola, and that would mean that it is a man made virus. If you could engineer a way to make a two part KO punch that had almost 100% effectiveness, you could really do some damage while making sure that you were not one of the targets.

While it is possible now to use enzymes to cut peptide and other DNA and RNA bonds to modify viruses, this technology is relatively new.  Nobody had it in the 1970's, when HIV was introduced into the human population.

Even so, what they're doing with Ebola right now is modifying its slime coat to make it more beneficial.  Yes, gene therapy is possible.  Yes, Ebola can be theoretically mixed with the AIDS virus but to what end?  Ebola's killing process is one of rapid onset, not insidious infection.  AIDS doesn't kill right away, but instead destroys the body's immune system over a period of months or years.  Combining a quick-kill with a slow-kill doesn't make any sense.  One of the reasons why Ebola hasn't had a serious outbreak is, ironically, because of its rapid lethality.

I mean, you can worry about that too if you like.  But monkeying with bacteria is worlds easier than monkeying with viruses, and if someone is trying to breed a "superbug" like TB the same way MRSA has been bred in this country through stupidity of antibiotic use, imagine what will happen when XDR TB is unleashed upon this continent, and all the igorant people who didn't take their meds properly suddenly start coming down with TB, follow their same pattern of not finishing their drug regimen, thus becoming breeding grounds for more drug-resistant bacteria.

If you ask me, it's pretty darn smart of China to hit us in our ignorant spot.

I don't know what to tell you, other than we, the United States, as a culture, have become both arrogant and stupid, and it's about to bite us all on the butt.

How you'd like to handle that situation is up to you.

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 10:55:45 AM »

Yeah, the doctors have been predicting that mutations in common illnesses are going to overtake the vaccines since the 80's. Because our bodies have been given so many "helping hands" via vaccines and immunizations, our basic immune system is weak and that allows them to mutate. Mix that with the fact that immunizations weaken the bodies immune response, cause virii to grow and mutate, and it looks like the Flu has the highest potential of being the next plague.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 01:40:21 PM »

Once one body gets an immunization, it is effectively teaching one body how to deal with a disease or mutation.

What happens if there is a Billion or mutations of just one organism.  Does this create a huge need to keep a populace vaccinated into the future just for one organism that might be "Killer?"   This sure seems like an effective and corporate idea to keep people into servitude on just one killer bug by some health care company.

Now just multiply that one organism by 1 billion genetic mutations or new factors 100 trillion (less than the real number I believe that most humans could fathom.  Try infinite possibilities) other organisms that could be infectious and there is a huge possibility in ANY one sector of the world that could come back with a plague worse than MRSA or staph infection that is plaguing us now.
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 09:10:13 PM »

You are correct in that vaccinations could become a corporate means of control.  My place of work will be making the flu vaccine mandatory next year in spite of its remarkable failure in effectiveness this year.   Compared to those of my coworkers who got the flu shot, I recovered much more quickly and only missed two days of work.  Just a difference in constitution?  Maybe.

Vaccinations are useful, don't get me wrong, not dying of tetanus makes stepping on nails a little more bearable. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 02:50:39 PM »

Wow, corporate mandated vaccines... I could not work for a company like that, ever. That is stepping over the line I have drawn in the sand. I worry about the Thimerosal in the vaccines. Something about injecting pig or chicken antibodies laced with mercury makes me uncomfortable... call me paranoid but I could never get used to the idea of that... whether they work or not (neither has been proven.)
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2008, 06:27:28 AM »

See, that's why I couldn't live in corporate america.

Someone would tell me "Get this or you're fired."

And first, would come some very satisfying moments.

Then the blood.

Then the arrest.

And unemployment.

Nope, nope, nope.  No corporate america for me.  I have too low a frustration tolerance, and people, especially corporate weasels, are fragile.

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2008, 05:50:39 AM »

* mation nods.

I have tarried far too long in this camp. 

Of course there is a reasoning for this policy beyond just wanting to cut down on sickdays but there have been other changes recently that are antagonistic towards their employees.  I've seen this before in economies with high unemployment rates.  Basically, employers start saying 'Do whatever I want or I'll replace you before the door hits you in the ass.'

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2008, 11:46:30 AM »

Yeah, not to change the subject but employers and employees have gone too far. I hesitate to say that it is all the employers fault because the employees SHOULD have standards that they wont put up with. It seems that the principled person who stands up for what they believe in can easily be replaced by someone willing to do the same job for less. Imagine how nice it would be to live in a place where the people have standards...
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2008, 01:13:04 PM »

<re: corporate mandate on vaccinations>

I've had a boss *tell* me to get the Flu vaccine. The first time this happened, I asked him if he was my boss, or my doctor?  Then I flat out told him no. Later on I just flat out lied to him and told him I got one. ...legally he can never access my medical records anyhow.  He was a dick who got booted anyhow.

I still don't think the corporations are allowed to have access to your medical files. SO DON'T TELL THEM ANY MEDICAL INFORMATION. They will be happy to document any medical information you freely share in your HR record.  Later that information WILL be used against you.

So no bitching about ailments (at work) etc. It will be used against you.
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2008, 06:21:41 PM »

Lying to your boss because he just wants you to get the vaccine is a lot easier than when it becomes mandated by Human Resources with a written policy.  They have nothing better to do than to follow up on everyone's compliance and require documentation to prove that it was done.

I've been able to get by without updated MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccinations for years by being labelled noncompliant but they are saying now that those without flu vaccinations will be terminated.   

Yep, this is a full blown thread hijacking.  Sorry Scott.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2008, 01:32:32 AM »

Back to topic... a good book to read is The Hades Factor, it is by my favorite author: Robert Ludlum. It goes through this stuff and is a very good book.
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