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« on: March 28, 2008, 04:00:42 PM »

For Years, the ISP's in the US have said they could not filter things at the network level.

With the US govt. now data mining at the Network Access Points, ATT proposing to filter out movies and other stuff, and the MPAA/RIAA pushing ISP's at the network level to unplug or deemed to have done a minor infraction.

What would it take to turn these tideas and technology for bad or the wrong reasons at the government level?

Here is the latest, the MPAA and IFPI are asking ISP's Internationally to unplug their customers without due process.

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9905266-7.html
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2008, 05:22:51 PM »

The goal is to get as many customers to comply as possible. Businesses don't want to lose your money but they have to obey uncle Sam. So they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. We need to force them to listen to their customers instead. Any company that abuses their service will not have my business and to make things worse, I will protest, picket, and pass out fliers exposing their invasion of our privacy. This is how you make a company fight uncle Same FOR you. It may work and it may not but I don't care so long as I am trying to make things better.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 06:44:52 PM »

For Years, the ISP's in the US have said they could not filter things at the network level.

With the US govt. now data mining at the Network Access Points, ATT proposing to filter out movies and other stuff, and the MPAA/RIAA pushing ISP's at the network level to unplug or deemed to have done a minor infraction.

I dont understand. Are they thinking of putting in layer 3 filters ? I would think that people will simply find another way. Encrypted traffic as with the TOR network would fix this. They cannot filter such traffic since its encrypted by design. Also, one could just as easily subscribe to a service such as one in Sweden and then gain secure HTTPS traffic to such a site. You would then simply download until you get tired or reach your cap using that.

Sure the MPAA and other maniacle organisations will respond by having those places raided, shut down and such, but others will spring up. Eventually when everyone is doing it, they will have to change the law. The alternative is to revert to massively draconian laws. This is already happening as we know, which is alarming. Eventually they will have to tackle China where they just dont give two hoots about the western idea of intellectual property. The rest of the world combined amounts to the piracy that goes on in China. I read a story the other day about how its almost impossible to purchase Microsoft Vista there because there is so much counterfeiting. Even in legit stores they sell the pirate copy. Getting a genuine version is actually quite a feat.

Lets see the MPAA go there for a change to tackle where most of the piracy actually happens. Hypocrites.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2008, 01:49:06 PM »

"Sure the MPAA and other maniacle organisations will respond by having those places raided, shut down and such, but others will spring up. Eventually when everyone is doing it, they will have to change the law. The alternative is to revert to massively draconian laws. This is already happening as we know, which is alarming. Eventually they will have to tackle China where they just dont give two hoots about the western idea of intellectual property. The rest of the world combined amounts to the piracy that goes on in China. I read a story the other day about how its almost impossible to purchase Microsoft Vista there because there is so much counterfeiting. Even in legit stores they sell the pirate copy. Getting a genuine version is actually quite a feat."

You just said it nicely?  If you knew that most of the US backbone is owned by about four to six companies, what would you say? If one companies filters at the NAP level, they nail every one else.

ATT is working on a filter to filter out video to cut down on the amount of video that transferred over there network. Think of ATT using a Video-like Gracenote service.  It basically uses a fingerprint system to identify what bits of a stream are video and slow the transfer down or cut it off entirely.  Lets just say really does not have any attention in the USA because a lot of people simply don't care.  They just want their internet and want it now.

Britian, US and others are saying that the Video-on-Demand over the internet will kill their networks.  Also a lot of US Cable companies are going from no bandwith or tierd approaches to such approaches. So this whole thing is coming down to a ISP vs content providers.  So backbone providers have the RIGHT to control their networks and network management and do the MPAA/RIAA/IFPI have a right of expectation that their rights are not going to be subdued by a network transfer of video and music or concert over the internet.

Looks, every country has its own laws, traditions and International treaties on the subject.  The US can't force a country to subdue itself to this power unless THEY WANT TO!

If a block of countries go in say like Eastern Russia/China/India said go jump into a lake, we'll do as we please.  How do you think that come out.  Asia right now controls the fastest growing economies and really in about ten years, could tell the USA to go shove it.

So really I think this isn't about Rights of music, video, movies or ?... Its more about the power of control and who controls the mass audience of the world.  What would happen if A billion people just told their government to shove it and replaced them in 2008?  What if they created their own networks to get around government censorship?

Cuba right now is having a hard time keeping USB 16 Gig or higher sticks out of the country. Think how many videos one could put on some thing of that size. 

MY fear is that some of my own government here in the US are fools.  Speaking of the wear, worn down senators and House Representatives that does not even KNOW what a Network Access Point and thinks if they just wave their hands, the internet will go away?

Or these simpletons do not understand that the internet COULD make them irrelevant?

What would happen if I just got a 1,000 of Vi$a, MC from the local drug market and told the US to go jump in a lake.  What would happen if a A million US citizen's did this?

I'd hate to have the thought that the people in power don't realize what they don't have.

And this ATT filtering thing, if it goes forth, look for people to teach this company a lesson.  And also so people know, this company transfers about 50 percent of the west coast Internet from Vacouver BC to San Diego and Level 3/Qwest does mostof the continental transfer from Seattle to Chicago, Denver and Minneapolis......
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2008, 01:49:49 PM »

I won't speak for Canada Internet, they might have a whole different networking scape than the US does.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2008, 03:57:06 PM »

Something that just occurred to me was that you should not forget the DVD zoning issue. The reason why there are DVD zones is to allow the MPAA and others to milk the populations of the world differently. In China for example you pay next to nothing for a DVD. In the USA you pay maximum price. This is NOT to stagger the rollouts, but to get max $$$ for the shows that they create and release on DVD. If it was about piracy alone, there would be one standard and it would be equally enforced around the world.

IE Thailand and China would not get a free ride on piracy just because they arent easily exploitable and their politicians arent yet on the MPAA payroll. Its about as sincere as the US claiming that they are bringing democracy to the middle east and that is why they went in to Iraq. Everybody knows its a joke. Similarly the MPAA spin should not be trusted on any level. Yes, any level.



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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2008, 02:30:32 AM »

:-) Why don't you just get a non-region DVD player? :-) Or one that can play all the regions?

Don't think it would be hard for the chinese to come up with such a device?  Heck, the make 90 percent or better of our electronics now..
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2008, 02:40:33 PM »

:-) Why don't you just get a non-region DVD player? :-) Or one that can play all the regions?

Quite simply because they would be sued. Then shut down. Even in China.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2008, 04:31:13 AM »

And if they tried to import such a device into the US, do you not think someone would be going to Jail?

After reading Charter and another US is starting to use NebuAd, so all you web searching is now at the hands of those who think they should know all about you...

NOw woudl you think the US government would LOVE to have their hands in the till and micromanaging a firm like NebuAd?

Now after they started filtering at MAE-West and other US Naps, what's next?
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