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« on: July 27, 2008, 09:45:33 PM »

Yeah, you guesed it.. Some one has not learned their lesson.

The Senators just created the new PIRATE ACT and some other fine and dandy ideas like coming up with a copyright czar, use the FBI and Justice Department (our favorites in the news in the past year dontchaknow?) after people with Civil lawsuits with up $2 million per "willful" violation

There is a lot more at this link if your interested in reading what Sen. Leahy thinks.  Sorry but I'm really wanting to call these senators out to the carpet for being virtual vegetables and need to be replaced..

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-senator-fuses-controversial-ip-bills-into-big-bad-package.html
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2008, 10:55:26 PM »

Next thing you know, it will be illegal to copy/share anything whether it's copyrighted or not. Next thing you know, any content exposed on the Internet will become property of the government... instantly making them the rights holder and instantly taking away the rights from the original owner. Next thing you know, you will be arrested for copying and sharing your own works.

I can see it coming...
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 06:29:32 AM »

I think it's been getting that way for quite some time now, but not governments owning the copyright but the corporations.  Example is that a lot of bands have to sign away the copyright of their own music to the recording company in order to get a contract.  I can see this kind of exploitation moving into a lot of other spheres as well, where whichever corporation owns the media that the content is transmitted through will automatically become the copyright holder of the content.  The thin end of the wedge is certainly already in.

I personally would rather starve to death than sign control of my music over to a corporation, but then most people aren't like me.  The mass media, controlled by the corporations, has created the cult of celebrity, for which too many people are now clamouring and they'll sell the copyright to their souls to the corporations in order to get their 15 minutes of fame.

But, i do believe that there'll always be free art (free in the sense of uncontrolled).  Many cultures have had their art banned by invading cultures and the art has survived and thrived underground.  But it is up to the masses to stop giving control of art to corporations, the more they get the stronger their argument for complete control.

And remember...   traditional music is copyright free!  Find a music tradition you like and learn to play it on a hand made acoustic instrument (they can't turn the power off to stop you) and fuck the corporations!  And there's some fantastic traditional music out their. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2008, 04:29:52 AM »

Gave me some things to think about Free feet. (Avadgu in other thread just did that as well.)

With Clear Channel owning Live Nation (concert venue owner and promoter.) television and radio station owner, mass media owner of billboard sign company.. Guess what they're trying to offer now?  That's right, they're seeing the light when XM-Surius merger.. They're going to offer a Shoutcast-Live365 like online radio-television system.

Now why would I want to spend my heard earned brain power being bombarded by Crisco, Shampoo-r-us, Debt consolidation, creditcards-r-us, and many other useless commercials that are coming to an online medium nearest you?

Yes, I do feel that the bands need to be paid a fair price, corporate noise making needs to go away.. (I think there is too much PR campaigning from big business...)  And tell congressional critters to get out of the lives of the average human being in America.  I do not want to be snooped, scissor kicked, scanned, body checked, identified or told what to do unless my actions are in some major *WAY* detrimental to another human(s) around me.

Hopefully, my generation will teach some of the last world war ii and vietnam generations, that its time to grow up as a culture and stop being babysat by the corporate culture that does not seem to have our best interest at heart.

Case-in-point: Chicago Based (used to be in Seattle.  It still has a significant commercial airplane division here.) Just defense contractor and airplane manufacturer bought Insitsu, a mobile plane that company that makes UAV's.

Now once they have control of the computer networks, (How many phone and internet broadband-backbone companies with significant US Fiber?  Very few....)  They control most of the Sattelite networks and other forms of travel and communication, what else do they have left?  Free form and thought comes up ranking high on my list...
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2008, 03:42:30 PM »

Copyright and intellectual property IS A CONTRACT. Those parties involved decide the terms. Unfortunately, most artists don't own the intellectual property rights to their own works because they sign them away.

The government has no business interfering with any legitimate contract.

Although, having studied 'fair use' I do believe that the individuals right to do what they see fit with their own physical property trumps any intellectual property punitive measures, with the possible exemption of outright counterfeiting - although even that claim is questionable in my mind. Let a private arbitrator decide.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2008, 03:17:00 AM »

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"Let a private arbitrator decide."

Wish that were possible.  But in our sorry state of affairs it usually ends up a useless civil suit or criminal in nature.

I do believe people do deserve to be compensated for their wonderful works. What I do not agree with is the current state of affairs with companies, corporations or congress to able to tell me how to live my life. How many US senators actually have been outside of Washington DC in 10 years not hand politiking or pumping hands - political speeches just to make themselves look important.

Honestly, DC is just a PR scramble about who's ego can be scratched better?  Why is it any business of the Feds or state to tell how I listen to music or deal with-in it?
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2008, 04:19:17 AM »

Unfortunately we don't live in a society at this point where a private arbitrator would be responsible for resolving the majority of property rights violations. But I advocate such a society, which requires exposure of the ideas.
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008, 02:57:14 PM »

@avagdu:

A lof of the property and minor stuff is referred down here in Vancouver Washington is referred to mediation instead of clogging the courts or other minor things.  Some time this is a road bump for the misguided and angry but atleast its a way to cut down on Superior court time.. (What ever your lower court in your country..) 

I agree with you on this fact.  But i doubt the RIAA, MPAA and corporations would *EVER* allow this to ever fit into their scheme of things as a decent or cheap way to settle disagreements. 

And with this, "judge judy" style of television court room justice that has been going around for near 30 years from "the people's court" to others, I doubt there is going to be any thing like this that might be really of any good or decent use. Our communities are too tightly controlled from up high..
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008, 01:52:29 PM »

Copyright and intellectual property IS A CONTRACT. Those parties involved decide the terms. Unfortunately, most artists don't own the intellectual property rights to their own works because they sign them away.

The government has no business interfering with any legitimate contract.

But is it legitimate?

As i mentioned in my last post, the beast controlled media has used some of planet's best psycho-fucking techniques to create a clamouring for celebrity in the general public that they have reached a situation where people will sign away anything for their 15 minutes of fame.  It simply should not be considered legitimate to brainwash someone into wanting something so badly that they'll sign away their life's work for it.

Of course, it depends on your view of what is legitimate.
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008, 02:43:44 PM »

Well they did both sign it, so that's one test of legitimacy. If it was under threat, duress or coercion I would not consider that a legitimate contract. But I don't think that would qualify.

Knowledge and understanding of the terms are also a prerequisite, that may be debatable.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2008, 03:02:58 PM »

If it was under threat, duress or coercion I would not consider that a legitimate contract. But I don't think that would qualify.

So you don't consider corporations using the best mind fucking psychologists and psychiatrists to manipulate the human herd into clamouring for celebrity to be duress or coercion?
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2008, 03:24:16 PM »

You can't speak in generalities about a contract. They're all different. And you're going to prove any claims like that you make.
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2008, 04:45:00 PM »

You can't speak in generalities about a contract. They're all different.

Yes we're all different...





...i'm not!





I presume you know Python?
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2008, 05:50:07 PM »

I'm sorry I don't know that reference.
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2008, 05:57:46 PM »

I'm sorry I don't know that reference.

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