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« on: January 16, 2008, 03:27:27 AM »

Watch ...scary shit  Shocked
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 07:44:19 AM »

Yeah, indeed.
If you see it from the police point of view, even if the individual cop might be a good person, what you have is an unruly crowd on one hand, and the Money telling you to deal with it on the other.
For a simple mind in a peer pressure environment, the outcome is quite obvious.

The protesters are Right, but that doesn't matter when Wrong decides, and they might have their restitution in some 50 years, but it doesn't so much good then.
So they either have to get violent, or get smart.
If they get violent, one of the ideas I came up with is to dress themselves exactly like the police, so that the police can't see the difference. That way they'll also have protection from spray, sticks, cameras and bullets to a certain degree.
The smart way is to infiltrate the society and change it from the inside.
This is slower, so my idea to speed it up is to spread information as much as possible to convert as many as possible.
I put up stickers, stickers with small pieces of information, like a web URL (rantradio.com) or an interesting thought or fact.
I put them everywhere I go where people will stop for a minute and look. Trams, ATM's, parking meters, telephone booths, pedestrian traffic lights, etc.
Many are torn off by do-gooders, but that means at least ONE person have read or looked at them.
They could be sitting up for years, until a receptive mind comes along.
Also, I sort of know where I've put most of them, so when I'm in that area, I refresh them if they've been taken down.
Some are taken down again and again, but that means that whoever does that might start wondering what radntradio.com is and check it out.
The stickers are like a half a cent each, so I can't really lose.

Seeing as that I don't get any fancy jobs and can infiltrate somewhere important, I reckon this is one of the best ways for me to spread the message.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 11:26:59 AM »

Frightening...

However, that demonstration was during the dark ages when it was a sin to question your government. I would like to think it'd be harder for something like that to happen now and go unnoticed.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 11:57:09 AM »

One word.. Sick!
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 01:20:34 PM »

wow, what the hell is up with this world ! the future looks so bad for us !

something needs to happen sooner rather then later !
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 12:21:07 PM »

The part at the end...where they are planning to breach the protesters' line... thats a little scary.  They blatantly say that they arent doing anything, but they are going to essentially attack them.  ON FILM!  i have to wonder what they were thinking.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 12:24:37 PM »

I was surprised that the police were openly talking about the "push, push, push" thing even though the protest was essentially non-violent.  The whole thing with identifying the "leaders" was unnerving too.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 12:50:42 PM »

Something interesting to look up is anti-paparazzi technology.  In a jam, a cheap laser pointer will work.. it overloads the CCD and causes it to bleed over to the next pixel... rinse and repeat.  With imaging software, you can edit out the red channel, and see ok-ish in green.  But multiple colors fucks them over, especially if it randomly changes.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2008, 02:42:12 AM »

Ah, nice trick, however, I wonder how fast laser pointers will be forbidden or regulated.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2008, 02:36:51 PM »

Something interesting to look up is anti-paparazzi technology.  In a jam, a cheap laser pointer will work.. it overloads the CCD and causes it to bleed over to the next pixel... rinse and repeat.  With imaging software, you can edit out the red channel, and see ok-ish in green.  But multiple colors fucks them over, especially if it randomly changes.


If they think an imaginary bottle is bad enough to warrant spraying a 3 year old with pepper spray then a laser shining at a camera lens is punishable by a rubber bullet to you're head by their standards... or worse
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2008, 03:18:44 PM »

yea... the logistics of using one seem a little difficult.  Seems like one of those, some one takes the heat, to protect the rest of the groups ID, kinda things.  I just don't wanna be that sap... hmmr

Alternately, you may be able to get a lot of them, and just tape/wire-tie/attach-with-magnets/etc them at random, and make a "net" of them, and hope that at any given point there's enough interference.

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2008, 05:10:19 PM »

I know this chick, she is the cute red head that did another video in Oregon about protesting the corporate media. Good video. I would not recommend taking kids to any of these kinds of events because they always have the potential to turn violent. That being said, those cops deserved to be stood up to. Less than 100 years ago the people would have pulled the guns on their hips and open fired... cops or not because they know that WE are the sovereigns... or rather, were.


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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2008, 03:24:48 PM »

Pretty damning footage. I'd have thought the spotting of "leaders" would be a precautionary measure in case there was violence, so they know who to go after. Of course, as the latter part of the video shows, there doesn't need to be violence for them to intervene. So, that footage marks those in it as targets if anyone there becomes merely inconvenient.

Hopefully the raw and unedited footage is out there somewhere too? While editing is a great way to enhance an emotional response, it's useless as evidence.
Frequent use of Nazi video footage tends to lend a feeling of melodrama to anything, and turn people off. I almost turned off the video myself when I saw the grainy film footage blended in. Yes the action was illegal use of force, yes it was unfair, yes it was against the US constitution, and while I know the Nazi party started causing trouble in small ways first, Godwin's Law applies in the real world too.
When everything apparently bad being done by a government is compared to the Nazi government of Germany, you fail. Because people get sick of the argument. Everyone uses it for all things big and small. It loses it's power. It becomes a joke.

Footage as simple and stark as this should be shown for what it is, not needlessly mixed up with a flawed personal desire to yell something damning on top.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2008, 06:57:59 PM »

From what I saw the police reaction went way beyond what should happen in the guidelines for use of force.  From my police training I agree that what they did was wrong.

However, I'd also like to argue that the footage is incomplete and really doesn't show everything leading up to the push to disperse.  Sometimes when the video shows police talking you can tell it cut in mid sentence as if to direct you to only hear some of what they're saying.

And it's pretty standard to try and identify the leaders, it's not for revenge afterward, it's so that if things to get violent you know who to question.

I'd like to see all the footage, without editing.  As wogs we can't just start making opinions without seeking every piece of data that we can or that in it's own way leads to our own prejudices.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2008, 04:47:34 PM »

And it's pretty standard to try and identify the leaders, it's not for revenge afterward, it's so that if things to get violent you know who to question.

Sorry, "go after" does sound very agressive. I did mean for investigation afterward, not revenge.

Though, I do believe that justice and vengence have the same latin derivation.. (Thankyou Jos Whedon)

I'd like to see all the footage, without editing.  As wogs we can't just start making opinions without seeking every piece of data that we can or that in it's own way leads to our own prejudices.

Well said. As I believe is said in one Buddhist text (it's been a long time since I read it); "If you find Buddha on the path to enlightenment, and he blocks your way, kill him."

Be prepared to accept the destruction of your own desires when looking for the truth. It may not be what you hope for.
(and in this case, there's many who hope to find simple black and white moral sides, with the police in the black. They may or may not be there.)

Truth is science. It is only what we cannot disprove.
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