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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2008, 10:29:44 PM »

umm.. well i always thought of a fortress up in the mountians would make an awesome base.
but i guess you then have to deal with the government. we need a big old oil tanker, like in waterworld. haha
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2008, 08:07:48 AM »

Here is youtube video of using old shipping containers for housing, he uses a system of combining old paper and concret to stucco the shipping containers.  They may make nice homes.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=sklarm


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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2008, 01:20:29 AM »

OMFG! From truth or consequence, new mexico.. Now this guys is up there when he makes his own sound proofing concrete from Newspaper, concrete and sand. 

Now I doubt this would be an ok product here in the Pacific Northwest, because it would attract moss and other wonderful eating concrete type organisms.  Plus ice when it gets cold likes to find those tiny holes, and would expand, contract and within 10 years turn the concrete into natural rubble.

But Paladin has put up a wonderful youtube link.  So go ahead and check out Sklar's videos.
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2008, 04:26:04 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2008, 05:14:55 PM »

If that is what it is called, it weird. Never heard of the stuff before.
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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2008, 02:41:55 AM »

Here is youtube video of using old shipping containers for housing, he uses a system of combining old paper and concret to stucco the shipping containers.  They may make nice homes.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=sklarm


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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2008, 09:00:57 AM »

How about barges?
It's not going anywhere fast, and they're made not to flip over, lie pretty flat and solid and can be easily attached to each other or modified.
Put containers or other housing on them, or we could even fill them with dirt and grow stuff.
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2008, 06:41:16 PM »

Nice idea sane traitor.  I bet there are ocean and river barges that you could buy off some old company for scrap?  Yeah, I think you have the best, viable idea yet.. Because every ocean or river that I know of in the world that is large enough has them.
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2008, 08:13:12 AM »

Nice idea sane traitor.  I bet there are ocean and river barges that you could buy off some old company for scrap?  Yeah, I think you have the best, viable idea yet.. Because every ocean or river that I know of in the world that is large enough has them.

A floating hull is still a floating hull. To get one cheap, it's liable to require a lot of welding or other patching.
It might well require more work, but could save you a lot of money and bug-finding bother. Build your own hull.
It's a question. Which do you have more of? Free time, or money? On these forums? I'm thinking it's more of the former.

There's a few freely available designs for smaller craft available online, and plenty of books on boat building. Finding a cheap and simple design is certainly an alternate option.
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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2008, 01:52:46 PM »

Hate to be a party-pooper, but all vessels need regular dry-docking.

1) Otherwise it's doomed to sink, eventually.

2) Or for other reasons. Even if decided to go completely hydroponic, no-materials-wasted, salt from saltwater, fresh water from rectification, solar energy, et cetera - you would still have to dock, since mechanical parts wear down.

The scientologists, for one fancy example, have asbestos on their "Freewinds", so they had to land.

3) Which brings us to another issue. An undesirable vessel, say bearing some political cargo, is usually deemed "pirate". That's the only thing pirates really were, in fact - official undesirables. (Well, okay, and criminals, too.)

That's to talk about vessels, leave alone arm-bearing ships. (Or "potentially bearing".) Most countries with navies have signed pirate eradication treaties.

And if you're a pirate, you can't dock anywhere.

This here passage was just a reminder on the possibilities of being framed.

4) Vessels need some higly-qualified personnel, like mechanics, a coxswain (a stuhrman), etc.. Altough, yeah, there are probably wogs in the navy.

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Those aren't the main reasons, though. My cynicism walks with that of Sci's, see. It said, I can't just poop and leave.

So here's some random site:

http://commercial.apolloduck.com/

And it has this Troops Transporter: "up to 40 soldiers", a rat packer, no space for anything, relatively cheap. 40 wogs could buy it for sure, even if with saving up.

Fact is, many have families, so this one's not any good.

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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2008, 02:04:10 PM »

To elaborate some. As someone mentioned in the "Let's buy a nuclear silo" thread, a wog is a bigger impact when a part of society. If wogs are dissipated among the regular-heads, you at least can't nuke them.

On the other hand, with the world going downhill and all, boarding a vessel in advance might be an idea.

Again, the scientologists already did it.
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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2008, 06:15:47 PM »

What about that huge chunk of plastic junk the size of Texas out in the pacific.
It would certainly take some time, but imagine if we were to wrap it all up somehow, and compact it all together as hard as possible, the result might as well be a huge, storm-proof, floating island the size of a medium sized city or something.
Or, if using some kind of heat treatment to melt the plastic together, we could mould it so that we could even have beaches and harbours and stuff.
Put some soil on it, build some houses and all the good self-sufficiency stuff, and we're good to go.
Need to expand? No problem! New building material comes floating every day. And since the junk stays in the same spot anyway, I don't see our island going anywhere else...

A major project, but one that could be at least somewhat economically feasible.
All we need are some fishing boats and a few thousand miles of rope...
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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2008, 07:29:35 PM »

Maybe the plastic would make a suitable substrate to start mangrove plantings on?  The plastic will degrade over time but if a living mesh formed, maybe augmented by ferrocement buoyant structures, a permanent island would form.
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2008, 07:43:37 PM »

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/11/tired_of_living.php

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He built his own island out of used pop bottles. 250,000 of them, plus some construction leftovers and bags of leaves, make up "his island,"

http://kohtao-community.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=33
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2008, 08:14:13 PM »

I was thinking specifically of that guy... Just want to avoid the whole 'falling apart in a storm' issue that he ran into and trying to think ahead to the whole degradation of polymers issue.

Nice to see that someone else is hiring him as a consultant for another island but you know what this means, right?

The government is going to close whatever loopholes are being used to build these artificial islands.  If this is a serious project then a group is gonna have to Ebay an ocean going craft PDQ and start in on the construction.
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