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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2008, 10:44:41 AM »

Just want to avoid the whole 'falling apart in a storm' issue

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Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them.
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« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2008, 11:40:28 PM »

What would it take to build an island similar to that, but to WOG standard?
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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2008, 07:35:52 AM »

What would it take to build an island similar to that, but to WOG standard?

Well presumably at least three medieval castles worth of foundation ballast.

Oh, you mean the bottle island.

Then at least three medieval castles worth of plastic bottles.
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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2008, 10:36:36 AM »

I was trying to come up with a way to fund the construction of the wog resort, and I thought of one that could work, but would rely on people's good will: playing the lottery.

There are about 500 people registered on the forums.  If we all sent in a few bucks for buying different tickets for a national lottery like Canada's 6/49, then we would greatly increase our chances of getting something.  You wouldn't necessarily even have to win the jackpot; just winning third place would result in a fair amount of money.  Some lotteries even have subscription plans so you can buy all of your tickets at once.

I think this is a good idea because it works with a system that can be, in a way, "figured out," and what we would put in might be a lot but the odds would work in our favor, especially if someone worked out the numbers so we could spend the least money but have the best chance at winning at least the 4/6 numbers prize.  Or someone could invest in the stock market, but I think I like the sound of a desperate gamble better.  Tongue

Also, as far as the resort itself, I think that purchasing an island might be a better idea than buying a boat or staying on the mainland.  The forums are talking a lot about boats and floating islands but I think those will be too hard to keep together and pilot.  An island is more susceptible to attack than a boat, but less so than a mainland since you have to approach by air or sea. It would also be easier to run than a boat, and in any case, you can build underground shelters against bombs, but you can't really do the same on a ship.

Islands are also widely available; Sean mentioned Asian areas specifically, and there are a lot of islands for sale there.

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/malaysiaisland.htm for example.

You can pick up a decent sized one for a few million dollars, and then use some of the natural resources there to build shelters.  Something the size of 50 or so acres would probably be more than enough.  You could hire locals, as he said, and take them over to the island to help with building and things like that.

I think as far as training goes, the best thing would be to take on volunteers to teach people what they know and allow them to stay there for free as long as they're teaching.  For others, charging a nominal fee for a certain amount of time/particular course would be fair, especially since all of that money would go into upkeep, food, and related things.

What do you guys think?
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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2008, 08:42:29 PM »

I will only apply two words to this thread:  Tracey Island!!!   Cool

Everything that a WOG needs..

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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2008, 04:26:42 PM »

I don't know if this quite fits the topic; but it's close enough I figure.  The third image specifically.

http://gizmodo.com/5049384/dutch-architects-envision-mind+bending-virtual-realities-using-photoshop

And yes I did find this via Fark.
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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2008, 02:06:06 PM »

What does it do, how well does it do it?

What exactly is it you all want to get together and do? Is an island actually suitable for that?

I already have my eye on an island, but it's more Bond Villain than International Rescue. Saving it for a rainy day.
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« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2008, 05:41:45 PM »

I can not figure out the exact purpose of the island but to say it is our own country where freedom is the goal. Freedom to have any weapons, money, vitamins & herbs, ideas, and what ever else we can imagine. If this is the case, then it would seem better to form an underground society instead. The Freemasons did this and when the opportunity to get their own country (the US) came up, they took it with both hands and ran with it... and it seemed to work out for them.

As a living place, the island is not really the best idea: "hmm, lets see, we have all these people who may or may not be trouble makers in one place... should I press this button to blow them all up or not?" ~Bush.

A WOG island as a place to go, learn, train, or vacation sounds fun. I don't really like the idea of a barge or PT boat because they break down, are too small, and have their own problems. I would go for an island or oil platform type of more permanent thing. There are lots and lots of islands that are uninhabited but some government or another claims ownership of them all. They, of course don't use them, but they stake a claim there anyhow. I would test any island like this for radioactive waste or nuclear weapons before using it.

Building your own island has real merit but you would need to get all of the dirt to some place that is not too deep. Its a lot of dirt and work but in open water you wont have much trouble from the man. Lots of boats for hauling the dirt would be key. Then we get to the whole question of "are you an official country or just some guys on some island we can take from you?" Once the island is built and inhabited we would have bargaining power, especially with more people. Sparta comes to mind. Realistically, you would need lawyers if it was going to fly legally. Any WOG lawyers out there?

Personally, I would vie for the underground movement first. Set up an underground subculture where people in that society had a plan to 1. Get everyone to a level where they were better off than the rest of the population financially. We could do this fairly easily if we teamed up, and in a few years, all the WOGs could be very affluent. When you have money, people listen to you. 2. Start taking over like a virus. The US (and the world for that matter) is for sale and those with the money are buying it up left and right. 3. Eliminate the credit companies, printed money, power mongers and construct a system of freedom that is iron clad.

(The last point reminds me of the US Constitution. There is a clause in the Constitution that creates the electoral colleges and I have often wondered why it was there in the original Constitution if we the people were supposed to decide who is to be president? It looks as if this, and other parts, were specifically created in order to put a weakness that could be exploited at a later date. They look like a strength at first but who would want it set up that way?)

I can't emphasis enough how important putting a plan in to action is, other wise its just talk. People always talk about these things but few actually do it.

To get the WOGs real money you have to first identify all of the ways our money is drained out of our pockets, like taxes, inflation, rent, food, taxes, fees, and more taxes. Then, after you have all of those methods identified, you eliminate them. You have to have a realistic solution but they do exist... they are just quasi-legal, hence the reason to go underground.

'The first step in avoiding a trap is knowing of its existence' -Frank Herbert
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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2008, 10:07:39 AM »

After a little reflection last night I think when it comes down to it, freedom is just one of the tools needed to acquire certain goals. The purpose of unhindered movement should be to further your specific goals, goals which may or may not be shunned upon by certain societies. For example: making money is not shunned but making it via the black market would be shunned by the masses.

What I see as the specific goal of the WOG movement would be 'The improvement of the human race' and to make the human species more efficient. The methods and reasons are just tools to get there. I am all for a WOG island built in the sea or even a derrick or boat but realistically, it can't happen with out some money. Check out these prices:

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/sale-price-under-250K.htm
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