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« on: July 03, 2008, 09:23:21 AM »

I'm curious, is anyone preparing for 2012? I know there is a lot of hype around it and I know those who prepared for Y2K were disappointed, however I think being prepared is always a good idea.

So, who here is preparing? How are you preparing? Any plans for a "hit the hills" trip prior to December of 2012?

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2008, 10:02:14 AM »

I'm curious, is anyone preparing for 2012? I know there is a lot of hype around it and I know those who prepared for Y2K were disappointed, however I think being prepared is always a good idea.

So, who here is preparing? How are you preparing? Any plans for a "hit the hills" trip prior to December of 2012?

Sometimes I wonder if I'm too curious Undecided
I'm preparing for when TSHTF, not specifically 2012.  I don't believe the doomsayers.
So, no, I don't have any specific plans to bug out in 2012 just in case or anything like that.

And the people who prepared for Y2K and were disappointed are idiots.  Preparation is a good thing, but why would you be disappointed when something bad doesn't happen.  I heard that a lot of people bought a lot of gear in preparation and then turned around and sold it after Y2K turned out to be a whole lot of nothing.  Those people are also idiots.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2008, 12:33:25 PM »

Yeah, I am really having trouble identifying the exact doom that will occur on 2012. There are so many to choose from... at least one of them HAS to be right.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2008, 11:50:03 PM »

Yeah, I am really having trouble identifying the exact doom that will occur on 2012. There are so many to choose from... at least one of them HAS to be right.

I think that logic's flawed, myself. there are so many possible dooms that could have happened yesterday, none of them were right.

But there is something about 2012 that has me on edge.

I prepare, i always prepare, but not for 2012 specifically, i prepare for any disaster. Preparing for 2012 is like preparing for y2k, nothing happened, and everyone let their preperations fall by the wayside. Had everyone kept up their preperations, katrina and other disasters would have been a cakewalk.

Preparing for a specific disaster kinda defeats the purpose of being prepared.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2008, 12:25:18 AM »

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Preparing for a specific disaster kinda defeats the purpose of being prepared.
I agree, however since there is a specific date and all this stuff that goes along with it (wont get into it here), I was wondering mainly if anyone was going to head for the hills in case something did happen.

Yea I know being prepared for anything is a good idea, but sometimes, you have to go a bit further in preparations than normal.

Example, who here has 2-3 years supply of food for their entire family? If anyone here has that, you must be pretty well prepared. I know I only have a few weeks of food supply for emergency.

Water, who here has a safe water source and/or a year supply of water for their entire family? Again, if you have this, that's great. Might not want to tell where this is located if you do.

My point is, we may all be prepared for short term disasters, but what about long term disasters? If 2012 comes to be as predicted so far, it may be a long term disaster. If it's not, then whoever prepares will still be prepared for long term disasters in case something happens after 2012.

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But there is something about 2012 that has me on edge.
Same here... this is why I'm wondering. Unlike Y2K, I know something big is going to happen between 2010-2013. Not sure what, but it will be big. I've been quite nervous about those years and been hoping maybe I'm just on edge from the hype, but I think something may just happen.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2008, 12:53:45 AM »

If 2012 comes to be as predicted so far, it may be a long term disaster.
Which prediction?  The one about polar shift, the one about solar flares, or the one where the feathered serpent god will come to Earth to destroy mankind?

Unlike Y2K, I know something big is going to happen between 2010-2013. Not sure what, but it will be big.
You know this, or you feel this?  If you know, then by all means share the details.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2008, 02:37:46 AM »

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You know this, or you feel this?  If you know, then by all means share the details.
Both. I don't usually openly mention my "hunches" or "feelings" unless I'm quite positive they may just be correct. The reason, nobody usually believes me. It is up to each person who reads my words to decide if they want to believe me or not.

In the end, it couldn't hurt to prepare anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2008, 05:17:38 PM »

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I think that logic's flawed, myself. there are so many possible dooms that could have happened yesterday, none of them were right.

Yeah, sarcasm is just one of the things that doesn't come through very clear in type.

The 2012 prediction I worry most about is that of the Grace Commission report. What happens after that I am not sure but Brazil 2001 seems to be an accurate model.

The other predictions of the planets aligning is something I don't have much experience with but I would assume that altered orbits and rotations may be possible. Not much I can do about that though so...

As for the solar flare that is going to wipe out about half of the earths population, I don't know if I'd be able to do more than dig a cave to hide in. I would have to have some sort of concrete evidence of that, before I started running around and digging tunnel systems. But if you did survive that, wouldn't it be cool to have all those resources at your disposal? As much gas, computers, cars, etc.

And with regards to the Mayan calendar, I think they are all dead so I don't know how their calendar is going to kill us...

I think there are even more things than that being predicted but I don't know what they are.
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2008, 12:56:52 AM »

UPDATE: Added a link to a 5 part video dealing with the topic of 2012 and "Planet X". It seems to be pretty good. If anything it will entertain you for a little bit.

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2008, 10:28:13 AM »

I am prepared.  Period.

I guess I'm preparing for 2012, because it seems to be a distance of years, a finite yet still relatively soon way off.

I am planning temporary BOL's.  I am scouting cheap hotels in other states.  I am finalizing my kit and I am starting to walk a mile a day to get in shape.  I only have four years to lose almost 150 pounds.  I best get crackin'

I've stopped buying guns, and am now concentrating on ammunition.

I am considering what impact a complete disruption of the infrastructure will do to my way of life;  I have acquired solar cells and spare storage batteries.  I have inverters in my Master Storage.

I have a recently-acquired diesel BOV.  I will be converting it to run on WVO.  I have the money for a biodiesel plant but I haven't decided if the WVO supply is going to support that kind of investment locally.

I am acquiring back my licenses to carry a firearm professionally -- these will be taken a bit more seriously and be less likely to be suspended/revoked arbitrarily due to their professional nature (I cite Hurricane Andrew as my primary example of this.)

I am in the process of setting to store fuel.  Unfortunately, prices being the way they are, this may not be feasible if fuel does not get significantly cheaper.

In the meantime, it looks like I'll be driving the diesel more often;  Better gas mileage.

The rest is just a matter of having enough durable consumer goods to last you through the situation, however long it may be.  And to have the armament to keep what you've got.

Consumables, after your first round of stored food and supplies have been expended, are going to need to be renewed locally after the disruption of the infrastructure.  Thus, you must decide NOW if you are going to relocate, or are going to stick it out.  Now would also be a good time to see what you can grow and eat from your own garden, and for how long.  This will be a rude awakening for some folks.

Stock up on vitamins, preferably multivitamins, because as food shortages continue, nutrition will suffer.  If you're surviving on your 3-metric-tonnes of rice, you're going to need the nutrients that rice isn't providing in some other form.

Know what you're going to need, and get it now.

Learn alternate forms of the medications you need, or learn how to go without them.  Unfortunately, if this includes psych meds, you may be SOL;  You're going to need your wits about you if you expect to survive.

Expect primitive to be more labor-intensive and time-consuming than modern, and budget your time accordingly.  The good thing is that there won't be nearly as many taxes on your time as there are with an intact infrastructure.  The bad thing is that without the infrastructure, you are going to be using nearly all of your time keeping up your own microcosm of infrastructure you need to survive.

However you choose to prepare, this is your "skills acquiring" time.  Learn all you need to learn with an intact society and...I'll say it again, infrastructure.  Know what parts of your kit work and what's junk, and get RID of the junk.  Don't "try to make it work" just because some famous-name whiz-bang guru said it should.  Kit is what works for YOU.  Be ruthless in your paring down of kit that doesn't work for you, and replace it immediately with kit that does.

Learn.  Get Trained.  Practice.  These are commodities that cannot be taken away from you EVER, and once TSHTF, these opportunities to easily acquire your training will be gone, possibly forever.

Absolutely take advantage of the training available right now.  Not just knowledge, but the psychomotor skills of actually DOING the things you may be called upon to save your life doing, or someone else's life.  I cannot stress this enough.

I've gotten to the point where I HATE Paramedic School.  I don't want to see another venipuncture, take another blood pressure, do another head-to-toe exam, ever.  Yet, here I am, less than two months from graduation, and I absolutely am CERTAIN that this skillset will be not only useful, but NECESSARY in both a regular societal AND SHTF situation.

So if I gotta do it, you gotta do it.  Get crackin', because as Viper said in Top Gun:

"The Clock is Ticking and as of Now we are Keeping Score."

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2008, 01:10:04 PM »

I've stopped buying guns, and am now concentrating on ammunition.
Good plan. guns are expensive. And they make poor clubs when out of ammo.

Unfortunately i'm late in the game so i plan to buy only 2 rifles and a handgun (one AR-15, one .30-06 or .308 for hunting/sniping and a handgun, probably glock17) then focus on the ammo

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I am considering what impact a complete disruption of the infrastructure will do to my way of life;  I have acquired solar cells and spare storage batteries.  I have inverters in my Master Storage.
I so wish i had the money for that, but after the guns and basic savings, not much wiggle room. I've got lans for a steam engine to make power though. Just add water and anything that burns, you have power.

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I have a recently-acquired diesel BOV.  I will be converting it to run on WVO.  I have the money for a biodiesel plant but I haven't decided if the WVO supply is going to support that kind of investment locally.
Dude, most diesels will run on 'greasel'. basically just strain used cooking oil to get the crud out and pour it right in teh engine. Little bit less efficient but save you the cost and effort of refining it.

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I am in the process of setting to store fuel.  Unfortunately, prices being the way they are, this may not be feasible if fuel does not get significantly cheaper.

Again, greasel is free, if you can find a fast food place that pays too much to have their old grease hauled away, you can offer to take it for free or a very reduced fee. Lots of guys do that, again, all you gotta do is haul it and strain it.

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However you choose to prepare, this is your "skills acquiring" time.  Learn all you need to learn with an intact society and...I'll say it again, infrastructure.  Know what parts of your kit work and what's junk, and get RID of the junk.  Don't "try to make it work" just because some famous-name whiz-bang guru said it should.  Kit is what works for YOU.  Be ruthless in your paring down of kit that doesn't work for you, and replace it immediately with kit that does.

Learn.  Get Trained.  Practice.  These are commodities that cannot be taken away from you EVER, and once TSHTF, these opportunities to easily acquire your training will be gone, possibly forever.
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Absolutely take advantage of the training available right now.  Not just knowledge, but the psychomotor skills of actually DOING the things you may be called upon to save your life doing, or someone else's life.  I cannot stress this enough.

Very very true. Most people don't realize this, but you really never have time to think when hit with a sudden emergency, everything you do is out of habit/reflexes
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2008, 03:09:33 PM »

I'm preparing as a part of my desire to be self-sufficient, whether 2012 leads to disaster or anything else. I've already got a fair amount of water and canned/dry food storage and I'm working on longer term storage for a year or more. I already have propane and butane stoves and fuel for cooking during power outages that would last a few weeks and my wood stove for heating, though it would be prudent for me to get more wood. I have made security and privacy improvements on my domicile, I intend on doing more as money permits. I'll be improving my bug out bag over time and try to make it lighter, train carrying it and using it in the field. I intend to continue learning and training in regards to firearms, knives and unarmed defense. I plan to join with friends working towards the same goal, whether 2012 is the great disaster it is chocked up to be is no matter, I consider these things part of being responsible for oneself.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 03:22:18 PM »

Agreed.

Your bugout preparations are primarily for providing you with a semblance of normalcy and a headstart on productivity, not as a sustainable way of life.

That must come from the time your Bugout preparations allow you.

Think of it as "the pocket" in a football game (American football).  The ball is snapped, and the offensive linemen protect the quarterback in "the pocket" while he decides whether to pass or run it.  That pocket isn't designed to be permanent, usually only a matter of seconds...but that's all the quarterback needs to do what he has to do.  However, if he doesn't do it fast enough, the pocket collapses and he gets sacked.

Your bugout gear, from your BoB (3 days) to your Master Storage (3 Months), is your SHTF "Pocket".

It's not designed to last forever.  Nothing does.  So you must have the SKILLS to be able to take care of yourself WITHOUT the infrastructure.

And it's amazing how many "prepared" folks do not realize exactly WHAT that entails.  Only folks who have been through a complete breakdown (such as after a hurricane) know what to prepare for for sure.  That's how I can tell between the "book" survivalists, and the folks who have actually been through a disaster -- their priorities are different.

Both have their place, and both share the mindset.

But one is theoretical, where the model can change in the mind of the theoreticist and thus, is not a true reflection of reality.  This is hard to get across to people, as they cling to that model in their mind becasue no one wants to admit how unprepared he truly is, especially those who ARE unprepared.  That's where the whole "I'm going to Wal-Mart and hole up there with some friends and guns" plans come from:  They are unrealistic, quick-fix, soundbite explanations as to why they have not given serious consideration to preparedness.

The sad thing is that those kinds of folks think that they're the only people in the world who have come up with this idea.

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Just for fun, I tore that one to pieces here: http://www.privateaidassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=605

And something that will help you focus on what's really important, and make appropriate preparations not based on wishful thinking, is here: http://www.privateaidassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=504

I'll say it right up front, Duncan Long, the guy who actually wrote "Backpack Fever" is no friend of mine.  In fact, I hate his guts.  Which should tell you something about how valuable I view this writing if I include it EVEN THOUGH I hate his guts.

It's because he's right, no matter who says it.

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Dude, most diesels will run on 'greasel'. basically just strain used cooking oil to get the crud out and pour it right in teh engine. Little bit less efficient but save you the cost and effort of refining it.

That's what's in my back tank ATM.  You can tell when I'm running on it because the exhaust smells like french fries.

Downside:  Because the greasel (WVO) is thick, at top end, the engine gets starved for fuel, so you don't want to put the Hammer Down, if you know what I mean..the engine'll quit.

Just something I've noticed running on greasel.

But for cruising...it's pretty darn good.  And free is a good price.

It's the only way I can afford to run it nowadays.

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Again, greasel is free, if you can find a fast food place that pays too much to have their old grease hauled away, you can offer to take it for free or a very reduced fee. Lots of guys do that, again, all you gotta do is haul it and strain it.

We are not the only ones who have this idea.  In the last month, I've already gotten involved in a bidding war with three other people, including Griffin Industries, which the restaurants PAY to haul the stuff away...

With fuel prices as they are, the power curve is already established, and I'm a bit behind it.

The trouble with greasel is that it doesn't work too well in colder environments.  Here in Florida, I don't really NEED to "convert" to it.  It just works.

But if I ever go somewhere where the temperature drops below, oh, say about 60 degrees or so, I'm going to need a WVO "conversion" tank, which warms and thins the greasel before it gets to the fuel intake.  Otherwise I'm gonna have unburnable sludge.

I'm still considering the utility of a small 3500 dollar 40 gallon biodiesel plant I can run in my back yard, converting WVO into biodiesel.  That could be very useful, especially for vehicles that aren't converted.

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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2008, 04:09:22 PM »

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Your bugout gear, from your BoB (3 days) to your Master Storage (3 Months), is your SHTF "Pocket".

I built my BOB in mind that I would carry 3 days worth of food, 1 days worth of water and my water purifier, but the shelter and other items and tools are intended to last 1-2 weeks in the field. But that's just me. Even if you depend on the FEMA numbers and results, 3 days doesn't seem sufficient. And personally I'm trying to stay far, far away from the FEMA folks.

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It's not designed to last forever.  Nothing does.  So you must have the SKILLS to be able to take care of yourself WITHOUT the infrastructure.

I forgot to add, I plan on experimenting and training using primitive skills as well so I can put a lot of my theoretical knowledge to the test in that regard.
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