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« on: October 16, 2008, 06:48:51 AM »

This isn't one of those "dear Abby" things, its more of "what would a WOG do" kind of topic.

The short version:

There is this girl I've been talking and hanging out with for a while, a few months ago she started having trouble with her boyfriend.  I usually try to change the topic when she starts talking about it because I don't want to hear about how much she's hurting, not because I don't care about her but because its something with an easy fix...DUMP HIS ASS! but she doesn't want to hear it, so I don't want to hear about how he treats her like crap.  Since she's already involved with someone, I turned off the GUY SWITCH a long time a go and we have always gotten along pretty well just as friends.

Anyway, about a month a go she started sending me naked pictures on my cell (yes, she's kinda hot  Grin), needless to say, that turned on the GUY SWITCH back on and the promise of getting some (or at least the possibility of it) made me put up with the whole "my boyfriend is mean but I love him" routine.  As time went on I realized that she wasn't really going to toss his ass to the curve but I might still have the possibility of getting some action. 

Now, under normal circumstances, I would just not want to do anything with this chick, however, the fact that she's using me like this makes me think I should bend my code of conduct a bit and try to at least get some type of erotic reward for my involuntary part in the whole thing....on the other hand, I really don't want to deal with drama so maybe I should just step away from the situation and just not talk to her again...I more or less know what I want to do and what the right thing to do is and they are not matching up right now... I'd like some advice from you guys on this.

btw, its been a long time since I've had any action so keep that in mind  Cry

And if this topic is inappropriate or too vulgar for these forums then my apologies, everyone here knows how much I respect and love the rant community, just thought I share my dilemma with my fellow WOGs
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2008, 07:26:25 AM »

Disclaimer: Do not read as Flamebait/Offensive. Just my advice, take it or leave it.

Personally, if you really want her, you should tell her to dump that asshole first. Maybe she just needs someone to confirm that she is in fact correct and that she just needs to find someone who will treat her with the respect and love she deserves. Personally, given the fact you are talking about her like she's a piece of ass, I think you would want to rethink the reasons you want her: if it's love then don't talk like that and lay you cards on the table. If this is just to ge some kind of one night thing, then don't even bother or you'll end up hurting her and then who will she have to turn to?

Think of her as friend first, then as your partner, then think of your penis. Most guys (ie the assholes) get it the other way around. Don't be like them.

I find that if you treat others as you want to be treated (i.e fairly and with respect and decency), you get what you put in.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2008, 07:31:03 AM »

I Would make sure she dumps him. 2 reasons:

1) If you get into a relationship with a girl who is cheating on her boyfriend, how will you know she won't cheat on you?

2) for her, and your own safety. abusive boyfriend + finding out theres another guy = murder. Often these abusive guys go right off the handle and are capable of anything.

Oh, one more thing, if he has, or ever does hit her, drag her ass down to one of those battered woman shelters and get her a nice sit down chat with some ladies who barely survived guys who were "only a little mean"
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2008, 08:56:08 AM »

Unlike ghostdog, I really don’t care if you’re offended by my post or not.  You’re probably going to be, and you probably should be.  You asked my opinion, here it is.

Be damn sure you know what kind of “hurting” she’s going through before passing judgment on the boyfriend.  You didn’t go into details about what she’s told you about him, so maybe you’ve already established that the situation is serious, but if not, pay attention to what she’s telling you.  Pain is always part of love, and people in any relationship will be annoyed and angry with their partner from time to time.  Women will tend to pick a few close friends to share these feelings with, just wanting to vent about them and then she’ll pretty much be OK (guys, random piece of advice, when a woman does this to you, she just wants you to listen to her, not solve her problem.  If you immediately start giving her all kinds of advice, which guys like to do, she’ll probably get annoyed at you instead).  If her stories are about how he’s a jerk and doesn’t understand her, she’s probably just venting.  If they’re about him being abusive, you, as her friend, need to start gently telling her that she’s better than that and should leave.  I say “gently” not because it’s not a big deal, but because women who are in that whole cycle of abuse thing would probably withdraw from you if you come on too strong about the guy being an asshole and her needing to dump his sorry ass.  You’d probably need help from other mutual friends to convince her to get out of the situation.

For fuck’s sake, don’t sleep with her.  I don’t care how long it’s been since you got laid.  You won’t die from lack of sex, and the problems you could get into with this aren’t worth just getting your rocks off.  The fact that she’s sending you naked pictures while going out with another guy makes her untrustworthy to the point that, for me at least, she’s probably not a worthwhile friend, let alone lover.  And it’s also a slutty thing to do, and for your own sake, don’t have sex with a slut.  My former religious opinions on the matter aside, casual sex is just stupid with all the diseases floating around out there.  Plus you don’t need the drama and probable conflict of sleeping with another man’s girl.  Not a place where you want to be.  And for her sake as well, don’t do it.  With whatever she’s going through, sleeping with another guy will more than likely compound her current problems.

Finally, suggesting that you somehow deserve to be “rewarded” for your “involuntary part in the whole thing” makes you a dick, or at the least a bad friend.  As her friend, you should care about her problems and try to help her.  There should be no reward for this.  You should do it because you are friends.  And don't "bend your code of conduct" just to get a piece of ass.  If you're honestly thinking of bending your code of conduct for that, you may want to check to see if it was really there to begin with.
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 09:01:01 AM »

Meh. Next time she starts on about him point out that SHE chose HIM and refuse to discuss it further. (Women hate having that pointed out) If she is as hooked on the drama as you say, giving into it will just make it drag on.

I suggest you walk away and cut contact. Its risky, but if she sees you are serious that might give her the jolt she needs to come to her senses. That is presuming you are sure you want her full time...

As ghostdog said, life is hard enough, why go looking for trouble? ^^
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2008, 09:52:01 AM »

Having had similar experiences, and having DONE BOTH THINGS (Sleep with her, don't sleep with her), because now I'm old instead of young and stupid, I have to go with Valekhai on this one all the way.

He pretty much said everything I would have said, only perhaps a bit more eloquently and clearly considering it's 0730 here in Vegas right now.

Sure she's hot, but that's just a Bad Situation all around.  Great, you get to bust nut in her, but now you've given another man reason to hate you enough to kill you.  Unless you already HAVE people trying to kill you to the point where just one more needs to get in line (like me at this age, and even so...), you're going to invite a world of trouble down upon yourself that you just don't need.  I speak from personal experience.  I've ALREADY MADE this mistake.

And I cannot tell you enough:  No matter how hot or amattive the girl is, IT IS NOT WORTH IT.

Jerk off to her pictures on the cell phone, wash your hands afterwards...both literally and figuratively.

Keep the pictures for your Personal Spank Bank, but for Server's sake don't actually sleep with her.  Don't fuck her.  Don't EVEN let her give you a blow job or a hand job.  You do NOT need to get involved sexually with this girl any more than you already have.

She's trying to suck you into her drama (hence, the naked pictures) for her own reasons.

Wogs don't allow themselves to be used by anyone without their consent.

Because even if you DO bust nut in her, she won't respect you, she won't love you, and she WON'T be faithful to you.

Diseases aside, that's just a self-sabotage setup for abject misery, to get a taste of something you can't have unless you do things that are contrary to your character.

Do not put yourself in that situation -- once you do, you have compromised yourself.

Again, I know this from personal experience, and in many ways, I am STILL damaged goods from it.  If I could spare anyone else the misery and the second-guessing, and what-might-have-beens, the love-hate ambivalency, the agony of watching another guy crank her down, and wondering "what's he got that I haven't got?" that I've gone through based on just ONE ill-thought-out encounter, I would.

The sad thing is, I know what it's like to go without.  The temptation to compromise your standards in order to get a piece is a nearly overwhelming feeling...believe me, again, I know.  You will sidestep reason and character and everything else becuase your sex drive is a SURVIVAL MECHANISM and it's hardwired into your brain in such a manner that it WILL circumvent your reason.

Which means, you're going to do what you're going to do no matter what is said here.

I'm just saying it for your benefit so you understand what's going on.  And that I at least gave you an opportunity to learn from a mistake I'm still paying for.

Don't do it.  This girl is NOT your friend.  YOU are HER plaything, to be enjoyed in the temporary for whatever benefit you are to her, and then discarded.  How you choose to handle that information is entirely up to you.

I can't say any more without reiterating myself, and that's gonna get boring.

Understand that the sex drive is a powerful thing.  Masturbation is a lot less complicated, private, and has fewer social and emotional consequences afterward -- and it is those very consequences you absolutely want to avoid.

I've said enough.

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2008, 10:18:01 AM »

Scott, considering the way you post, I take the fact that you'd call me eloquent, regardless of time and location, as high praise.
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2008, 12:11:00 PM »

I couldn't have said it much better than any of you folks.  I just hope he listens to us.
Just want to point this out as I might not have made it clear in my first post: Like valekhai I'm not assuming this asshole b/f to be being verbally or physically abusive to the girl, but if you truly are convinced that this guy isn't worth having in her life, try talking to her in one of the ways suggested. Bear also in mind that whether you like it or not, and whether you admit it or not, you are emotionally attached to the subject, and you ARE involved already. As a result, take a step back and look at it objectively from the outside POV, (much like us). Or imagine what you would say if someone else posted that. In most cases, your conscience and your common sense will guide you well.

BTW, my limited experience with women notwithstanding, couples will fall out from time-to-time, and they will talk to their friends about the situation. I wonder what the guy has to say about it? For all you know, she may be a lying bitch and she may be inventing all of this for some attention. Given the nature of the pictures she sent you, I'm guessing that she likes attention by any means necessary, or maybe she just likes playing games. In any case consider how much you want to be in a relationship with someone like that.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 12:54:50 PM »

...makes me think I should bend my code of conduct a bit...

Fail.
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2008, 01:01:52 PM »

...makes me think I should bend my code of conduct a bit...

Fail.


Agreed. Bending code of coduct is for emergencies and special unusual circumstances, not to get laid.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2008, 01:15:29 PM »

I guess this is probably going to sound like way out of left field but I too am old and I too have tried all the angles before. That being said, sex is not a relationship, marriage is a business contract, and boy friend/girl friend is just friendship. Ownership of another person should be illegal...

The boyfriend doesn't seem to be your friend so he is only a risk factor. The girl is sending you naked pics (of herself?) because she does think of you in a sexual way. She is saying that she wants you to help her out of her Fd up relationship and she is willing to use sex to get it, but the last thing you want is to be part of that (what kind of friend would do that?) If you want to have sex with her, do it, just make sure all of those cards are on the table before hand. You don't need to be married or bf/gf first, you just need to lay that on the table. I wouldn't recommend ANY sort of relationship with this girl as she seems a bit unstable.

You need to be aware of the dangers and they are: 1. Use protection (you're not the first.) 2. Her boyfriend (is he crazy and does he know you?) 3. Her mental status (is she crazy, will she start stalking you and make your life hell?)
After all that is sorted out feel free to shag her rotten. Those are my thoughts on it. Do as you will.

What is sex and how well does it do that job? Sex is two fold 1. to make kids 2. to satisfy an undeniable urge. If you are not having kids, you can eliminate that. All that leaves is an irresistible impulse. You have to satisfy it somewhere so make sure it doesn't burn your ass. Only you will know if that is going to happen.

Yes, I have been through every situation I have listed.

PS, friendship is friendship no matter if you are boy, girl, husband, wife, divorced, Republican, Anarchist, or Santa Claus. It shouldn't affect, or be affected, by your sexual relationships. That is programming we could all do with out.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 03:13:19 PM »

Eh. Just fuck her already.

Do what you want. Since when has a couple posts on a discussion board ever swayed anyone's mind one way or the other?

Honestly, the only reason I think she's sending you nudes and shit is because she's a woman and just wants to fuck around but not actually follow through. I've seen situations like this a lot before.

You only live once. Shit or get off the pot. If she's the kind of girl who complains about her boyfriend but stays with him anyway, she doesn't sound like a very good person to mate with.

/shrug.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2008, 04:33:48 PM »

You only live once.
I've never understood why that's seen as a good reason to do something potentially stupid without thinking of the consequences.  I usually take it the other way: you only live once, so for heaven's sake think before you do something that could fuck up your one and only life.
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2008, 04:57:03 PM »

I think some of you got the wrong idea, this isn't a girl that is being abused or anything...I know that suffering can't be measured and that all suffering sucks ass.  Still, this isn't like he's beating her or anything even remotely similar, he just doesn't give her the attention she wants, thats why she comes to me as her "friend" to tell me all about how bad he is...I gave her a solution but she said she loves him so I avoided the topic ever since, she pushed and pushed and I wouldn't cave in...finally she started sending me the naked pictures (yes of her, in different...well, never mind that) and getting me interested in her drama, its not like this is a poor innocent young girl, she's 24 and definitely knows what she's doing...god knows she's been involved with more people than I have!

And yes...I guess that even considering the "wrong" choice does make me a dick, but you can only be a nice guy for so long before you snap...and as far as me dying from not getting laid, well, I still think its possible, certainly feels like it...but it still sucks when a girl like this keeps taunting you...did I mention she was hot?  I mean come one! at least give me credit that I didn't do the wrong thing right away, I actually took time to think about it and even came to familiar grounds for advice, see, I can't possibly be that much of a dick.

But seriously, even though my original post was meant to make light of my situation, I was very much considering to go through with it...I was just trying to find ways of justifying it, but like Scott said, I just couldn't find any way for it to be worth it...Don't get me wrong, I still think its messed up what she's doing, if MorningRoc is right and she's just screwing with my head then she's no friend since she knows I haven't gone near a girl since I broke up with my ex last year.  And I've also been on the other side of a cheating girlfriend before so no matter how much of a douche this guy might be, no one should ever go through that.  So I guess I'm getting off the pot...did I use that correctly?

Anyway, last night I figured I'd needed to stop all contact with this girl, she's a cool buddy and we enjoy the same things but I find my code of ethics weakening when I'm around her (she's really really hot!).  It will suck but I tried fixing her problems and she refuses to do what is needed so I don't want to be a part of any shady business or be brought down with her when the whole thing goes bad...I'm probably not being a good friend to her but I tried and I don't trust myself with this one. 

The funny thing is, I'm pretty good at dealing with conflict, I can deal with the huge teamsters down at work, I give them orders, they get pissed and threaten to kick my ass, I tell them to get back to work then I buy them a beer after work and everyone is happy, but this little 120 lb blond thing is driving me nuts and turning me into a little indecisive prick that can't say "FUCK OFF" to her!

So no worries, you all re-enforced what I already knew, and I wasn't offended by anyone in any way...c'mon! we're all family here! Grin




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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2008, 05:00:49 PM »

Oh...and yes, I am keeping the pics she sent me on my spank bank  Grin


Seriously, thanks you all
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