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« on: October 01, 2008, 06:53:08 PM »

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/10/01/tracing-the-origin-of-hiv-1

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As both samples come from Kinshasa, a comparison of their sequences can reveal the existence of a common ancestor. By performing statistical analyses with models that account for the rates of evolution and various methods of HIV-1 pandemic spread, the researchers found that the viral ancestor existed between 1902 and 1921[/qoute]
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 04:29:15 PM »

I could have told you that.  The technology for splitting genes wasn't available at the time of discovery of HIV.  More accurately, while technically, splitting genes WAS possible, it wasn't possible to be particularly PRECISE about it.  In the 1970's, the techniques we had available for splitting genes was about like trying to cut glass with a hammer.  And JUST a hammer.

Now, we have techniques more akin to a real glass cutter.

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 10:45:36 PM »

I could have told you that.  The technology for splitting genes wasn't available at the time of discovery of HIV.  More accurately, while technically, splitting genes WAS possible, it wasn't possible to be particularly PRECISE about it.  In the 1970's, the techniques we had available for splitting genes was about like trying to cut glass with a hammer.  And JUST a hammer.

Now, we have techniques more akin to a real glass cutter.

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B...but Kanye says the gubmint invented AIDS to kill black people.  How could he be wrong?
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 04:57:29 AM »

I could have told you that.  The technology for splitting genes wasn't available at the time of discovery of HIV.  More accurately, while technically, splitting genes WAS possible, it wasn't possible to be particularly PRECISE about it.  In the 1970's, the techniques we had available for splitting genes was about like trying to cut glass with a hammer.  And JUST a hammer.

Now, we have techniques more akin to a real glass cutter.

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B...but Kanye says the gubmint invented AIDS to kill black people.  How could he be wrong?
George Bush doesn´t care about black people?
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 11:32:04 PM »

Could someone explain to me the exact science of detecting HIV, cause I heard that the way it's detected really isn't a science, which then means it's possible that it doesn't exist...  that's a very short version of the argument but I'd like to know how it's tested before I argue further since I'm split on both sides.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 02:21:45 PM »

Analysis of the symptoms a patient would probably provide enough clues.  Then with blood draws, the blood could be used to determine the exactness if someone has aids.

Have you tried a google search? I bet there are a lot of scientific information and links in layman's terms on how they determine AIDS from HIV..
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2008, 10:03:06 AM »

HIV is an RNA virus, or "retrovirus".

It utilizes RNA to replicate itself and then write itself into DNA.

Its verified diagnosis, other than through symptoms that will allow you to test for it, is through chemical means that effectively "highlight" the RNA sequence recognized as being the virus.

It is also verified, once isolated, by electron microscope.

There are only four basic DNA patterns, becuase there are only four basic DNA components:

Thymine, Guanine, Cytosine, and Adenine.

The infinity of all life is a matter of extremely long chains of those components arranged in different patterns.

As we've now discovered, humans carry "inactive" DNA chains...in other words, we're carrying genetic material WE DON'T USE, but they're part of the genetic code.  Becuase we've identified, through computers and computer technology algorithms, that certain DNA combinations are "start code" sequences, and "stop code" sequences...built into those long chains.

It's like having a computer program with a million lines of code, but there are only certain subroutines that are valid with a particular "machine."

Detecting AIDS is detecting a particular subroutine, not in DNA (though it can be detected there, too) but through analysis of RNA (which substitutes the chemical Uracil for Thymine).  We have an idea as to what certain genetic sections of code do, but not all.

Since we can now actually look intracellularly via electron microscope, what we know chemically, we can observe physically in realtime.

The way they map DNA, is chemical representation on sensitive film.  It is accurate enough for court evidence.

They can map the RNA of HIV the same way.

Though it's a bit tough sometimes becuase the translation from RNA to DNA is not perfect, and this is where most of the mutations happen, thus, HIV-1 can mutate EASILY into several polymorphic viruses in just one human patient alone.

But there are recognizable sequences.

And that's what the microbiologists look for.

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