avagdu
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2008, 07:06:39 PM » |
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@sanetraitor
That depends who you ask, lol..
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sanetraitor
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There are no accidents.
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2008, 07:13:31 PM » |
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Well, the whole idea of taking my stuff to give to other people isn't very beneficial for my freedom, is it?  |
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Scott Skawronska
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2008, 08:13:23 PM » |
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I think the difference would be if you voluntarily gave it to be distributed, or were coerced in any way.
Voluntary contributions to the collective good could be construed as collectivism, like open source software and Creative Commons Licensure, without infringing on anyone's freedom, including the author's.
It's when things are TAKEN through force or the threat of force, that liberty is infringed.
Such is the tenet of the Libertarian ideal: No one, group, agency, or government, is authorized to initiate force against anyone for any reason.
Key word: Initiate.
Self-defense is perfectly okay. Enforcement of CONTRACT is perfectly okay, because it was an AGREED TO contract.
I think the biggest threat to liberty is infringing upon human rights WITHOUT OUR CONSENT.
We could still have stoplights. We just eliminate tickets. You violate the light at your own risk, and if you get in an accident, tort law prevails. Lawsuits. If you were against the light, you have no defense and are liable.
Of course, then it would encourage the poor to break the rules since they have nothing to take, and infringe upon the rights of the rich, who have everything to lose from a confrontation.
But is THIS liberty?
There is no perfect system.
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Kevin
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2008, 12:45:03 PM » |
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Here's mine.  Seems like a lot of us lie in the same quadrant. I like that noone so far is in the authoritarian half. Vote for me
Sure i'm not in the UK. Don't let that stop you. I'll make mad science our primary export.
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Nikita
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2008, 11:54:06 AM » |
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Economic Left/Right: 0.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15   |
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Epex
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2008, 01:11:13 PM » |
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Hmmmm no authoritarians yet, still waiting eagerly for one to turn up  |
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fire_missionary
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2008, 04:39:18 PM » |
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Economic Left/Right: -2.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36  Interesting... Noting most people who did this and replied are leaning towards liberalism. Also, a bit left-er than I thought i'd be. but meh |
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Yugosaki
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2008, 06:00:14 PM » |
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Noting most people who did this and replied are leaning towards liberalism.
Also, a bit left-er than I thought i'd be. but meh
I'm not surprised. Most people here have a similar way of thinking, so you're going to see the same general trend for most of us. Edit: what surprises me, is how LEFT we are as opposed to RIGHT. I would expect most of us to lean towards the right due to our high numbers of 'survivalists' here. |
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Optimism- Ignoring the obvious
Pessimism- Believing the world sucks and if the worst can happen, it will happen.
Survivalism- realizing the universe is malevolent and doing everything in your power to thwart it's plans.
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Valekhai
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2008, 06:21:51 PM » |
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Edit: what surprises me, is how LEFT we are as opposed to RIGHT. I would expect most of us to lean towards the right due to our high numbers of 'survivalists' here.
What does survivalism have to do with our economic stances? |
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sanetraitor
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2008, 09:33:39 AM » |
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The stereotype of the insane right-wing libertarian survivalist types, I suppose?
I would fall into that category, if it wasn't for the fact that my psychologist have actually told me I am not insane.
In a nutshell, I'm for personal liberty and individualism and against collectivism and authoritarianism.
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Icehawk
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2008, 11:56:35 PM » |
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Economic Left/Right: -5.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51  According to the graph, I'm in roughly the same territory as Gandhi and the Dali Lama. Awesome sauce. |
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Yugosaki
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2008, 08:33:34 AM » |
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Edit: what surprises me, is how LEFT we are as opposed to RIGHT. I would expect most of us to lean towards the right due to our high numbers of 'survivalists' here.
What does survivalism have to do with our economic stances? I wasn't thinking economic, i was thinking ideological. Right wing tends to be more direct action (death penalty, self defense, etc) |
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second life: Yugosaki Coronet
Optimism- Ignoring the obvious
Pessimism- Believing the world sucks and if the worst can happen, it will happen.
Survivalism- realizing the universe is malevolent and doing everything in your power to thwart it's plans.
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Valekhai
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2008, 10:31:27 AM » |
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Edit: what surprises me, is how LEFT we are as opposed to RIGHT. I would expect most of us to lean towards the right due to our high numbers of 'survivalists' here.
What does survivalism have to do with our economic stances? I wasn't thinking economic, i was thinking ideological. Right wing tends to be more direct action (death penalty, self defense, etc) Ah. I think those would be mapped out on the y axis. |
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"Until you find something to fight for, you settle for something to fight against."
"Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding."
"You can see why Che ducked out right after the revolution. It’s a lot easier to blow up trains than to make them run on time."
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Outsider
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2008, 11:44:57 AM » |
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Here's mine.
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Enki
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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2008, 03:19:51 PM » |
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This test, while interesting, is obviously flawed. They are taking an implicitly high degree of freedom and forcing it into two axis.
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