Hey guys my buddy muck-toad has been talking me to death on the subject of peak oil....

we stand to run out thats pretty biblical: gas shortages riots things of that nature how do we as wogs help out and survive in a world without oil the thing that lets face it ALL OUR STUFF is made out of or shipped with?


i'm a little concerned and welcome thoughts on this

CWS

Peak oil is one of the most likely things to cause economic collapse, because of so many products use oil and our transportation infrastructure depends on it. A new approach to city planning in the way of a downscale to smaller tight knit societies that can be traversed by walking or bicycle and provide many of their own products and services within the community will be the only way to survive or avert the crisis.

There are two methods of thought to this. You can move somewhere where you have acreage with natural resources and take advantage of passive heating methods and renewable energy sources like sun and wind.

Or you can move to an 'urban village' community where all your amenities, shops and services are within walking distance.  New urban planners are starting to build these communities.

In either case learning a new skill or trade, probably in repair or manufacture would be useful to provide for your neighbors. For an urban village to sustain, they will have to provide their own products and services and take on multiple occupations or 'hobbies' in their spare time.

Try to reuse any manufactured product, especially those made from petroleum products like plastics.

Suburban sprawls and the area surrounding strip malls is the worst place to be. So move if you are near there.  You do not want to be anywhere that is only accessible by motor vehicle. 

Economic collapse from peak oil will probably not be quick, if you are observant you should be able to see the signs months or years ahead of when it reaches epic proportions.

Steady job losses followed by periodic brownouts and power outages, people getting gas siphoned from their cars, gas shortages at the pump, less frequent food restock at local stores will all be signs of economic collapse to watch out for.

In some cases curfews may be instituted, power will be turned off to businesses and homes during certain hours, and truck fleets will be diminished or even left in disrepair en route.

Just things to look for.

We will never run out of oil but the supply will be limited to keep the prices optimal. When they are talking about peak oil they are talking about the middle east running out. Places like Saudi Arabia have agreed to pay for the American national debt with their oil profits and that is why they want to keep us on that track. You can see why it is very important that we don't open up the oil fields in Alaska or those in Canada.

Once we have no other choice I am sure they will open those oil fields up. Its not like they would be willing to give up those massive profits. If you have any questions about those middle east deals, look up Abner Dethrey. He did it under the order of, and with, Henry Kissinger.

Butanol, yes.  It is not energy-efficient.

Biodiesel, on the other hand, can be using theoretical models already described on the net.  No one's actually tested the theories yet.

S

Solar and wind power are good but the cost to start up them is very high.  Ex. Solar pannles will pay for them self in 15 years.

Running out of oil will suck.  Its cost thats ganna make me change when gas get to high the bike starts to look like a better option.  Or you could go urber green and live in a hippy comune.  I would give it a try.

Brownout haven herd that word since ive read 'The turner's dairy'

Mass change on part of the goverment wont take effect until a oil becomes more costly then the alterntives. 

Problem with that is it is not efficient, you have to produce more electricity to seperate the atoms in water than the energy output from burning it..

The options I like are ethanol and biodiesel, both are already nearly 100% compatible with our current fossil fuel engines, and we can make both with byproducts of our societies food consumption. seems to be the ideal solution. The process to make ethanol is the same as the process to make alcohol, so we definately have the tech for it.

Hello, i have always been a fan of the "wog" why of life even tho i never new the term you could label it as.  but there is one fact u have miss placed, bio-desil dosn't make 3 times the energy it takes 2 create of one simple reason. you can make it but getting a distil and putting compost from ur food in it.... so there for it takes almost no energy at all. the only reason i know this is my grand-father dose this and he makes about 5 gallons a day... so i took him up on the idea and never have had 2 make a stop at the gas station 2 get full since. big savings in my pocket thats for sure.

ture the probley with the HHO system is that fact it takes 60 barrels of oild 2 make one cell for the thing