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« on: July 03, 2008, 10:05:55 AM » |
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I was just wondering how many of the people here actually own and shoot firearms? I am not talking about air rifles (BB / Pellet) or Paintball or Airsoft. I mean the use of actual firearms.
I ask because both me and my wife enjoy shooting. She even has 5 firearms of her own (although 2 are antique). This past weekend several friends and us went to a friends farm and camped out and shot most of the weekend. It was great. We shot everything from AR15's, M1As, Hanguns, Shotguns and Flintlocks.
I was very proud of my wife as she not only came in 2nd in the Flintlock shoot (the only match we scored) but she also shot my 12 guage pump, even hitting about 10 out of 15 clays with it. She also shot a friends M1A a couple of times.
Her and my best Friend's wife are going this weekend to take the class for a Hangun Carry Permit.
So what about the rest of you, how many of you shoot? What do you shoot?
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Valekhai
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2008, 10:24:00 AM » |
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I have a Ruger 10/22 and a Mosin Nagant M44. I got the 10/22 because it was the most recommended .22lr in my research, and because it's extremely upgradeable and customizable. It's still factory, and I need to do something about the crappy trigger. I'm one of those people who thinks that everyone should have a .22 in their arsenal. The ammo is too cheap not to, and they're great for practice. I bought the Mosin because they are cheap, you can get surplus ammo for a decent price, and they're a hoot to shoot. On my "to buy list" are: AR15, shotgun, Glock 19, and SKS. I'm not sure which I'm going to buy in which order. SKS are pretty cheap and would be an excellent bug-out gun, if I bug out with a gun (more than likely not. I'm not in a gun-friendly state). The shotgun would be great for home defense, but I don't think they're as much fun to take to a range and shoot, so it would end up sitting in the corner unused most of the time. The Glock 19 would also be a good home defense gun, but since I'm in a state that doesn't allow concealed or open carry, a handgun isn't a big priority. I really want an AR15, but they're out of my price range right now. I'm worried that my state is going to pass an AWB at some point in the future, so that makes me want to get one now, but I've come to realize that I want one mostly because I think they're awesome, not because I have a really practical use for one. The gun and the ammo are both expensive, and in my current financial situation, my money is better spent elsewhere.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2008, 01:48:08 PM » |
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Valekhai, If you don't mind me asking, what state do you live in?
You are correct, the 10/22 is without a doubt the best Semi-Auto .22LR rifle around. The 10/22 was the 2nd firearm I ever received (first was a 12 guage semi-auto, my family used to dove hunt a lot!) I till have the 10/22 and have put many thousands of rounds through it in the 15 or more years I have had it.
You have a good list of wants as far as firearms go. If I might make a suggestion... If I were you I would either get the Shotgun or the Glock as your next purchase. I say that because you already have a good long range rifle (The ballistics of the Mosin Nagant 7.62 x 54 is very similar to that of a .30-06).
Shotguns can be fun to shoot, specially if you can get into shooting clays. Also don't let anyone tell you that you can't do that with a shorter barrelled tactical type shotgun. All of the ones my friends and I shot this weekend were more for defense than sport and we all broke a good deal of clays. The longest barrel of the bunch was 20".
An AR15 would be a great rifle to get as well, but an SKS or AK would serve in the same capacity. Both are medium range rifles.
My thoughts are, to have a good assortment of firearms, I think you need 4. A long range rifle (300 meters and out) my choice in the M1A (.308), a Midrange Rifle (300 meters and in), either an AR or an SKS/AK would work, something for closerange (My choice a 12 guage shotgun) and then a handgun.
I am hoping to get an AK later on this year, and should have an M1A coming by Fall. I'm also planning to buy a Glock 17, and Glock 21SF, and build my wife an AR as soon as my Custom Colt .45 Auto sells.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2008, 02:10:14 PM » |
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Valekhai, If you don't mind me asking, what state do you live in?
Illinois. Thankfully not in Chicago or Cook county (where I live still counts as the suburbs, though. And pretty much anything in this corner of the state counts as "Chicago" to anyone who doesn't live here). Shotguns can be fun to shoot, specially if you can get into shooting clays. Also don't let anyone tell you that you can't do that with a shorter barrelled tactical type shotgun. All of the ones my friends and I shot this weekend were more for defense than sport and we all broke a good deal of clays. The longest barrel of the bunch was 20".
I suppose it's not fair of me to say that a shotgun would be fun to take to a range since I've never actually shot one. I went shooting with some friends on Memorial Day weekend. We were going to do some clay shooting with his Remington 870, but we had to change our plans because all the local campsites were full, so we only got to spend an hour at the range, all of which I spent with my 10/22 and Mosin. An AR15 would be a great rifle to get as well, but an SKS or AK would serve in the same capacity. Both are medium range rifles.
My thoughts are, to have a good assortment of firearms, I think you need 4. A long range rifle (300 meters and out) my choice in the M1A (.308), a Midrange Rifle (300 meters and in), either an AR or an SKS/AK would work, something for closerange (My choice a 12 guage shotgun) and then a handgun.
I think if I got an AR with a 20" barrel it would be about all the accuracy I need. My eyes are crap, so at 300 meters or beyond I'm going to try to avoid. I forgot about the M1A. Also a very cool gun that I'd like to get, arguably more useful than the AR or SKS. The only problem is that they are insanely expensive in my area. I have a friend in central Illinois who says he has seen them in his local gunstore for less than $1000. I just need to shop around more.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2008, 02:35:02 PM » |
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I shoot. I carry. I have held an FFL. I have been licensed to carry in four states, back before "Shall issue" legislation (carry was for professional reasons).
As to exactly what and how many, I'd rather not say on an open forum for liability reasons.
I build my own AR-15's when I can afford them. I just finished rebuilding a .45 1911 as a project gun.
My favorite carry gun is a Glock.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2008, 02:58:25 PM » |
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i go clay shooting every few months, living in the UK its a pain in the ass to get my hands on anything better. Ive got a 32 rimfire revolver, no ammo of course.... cause that would be illegal 
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2008, 04:25:21 PM » |
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Illinois. Thankfully not in Chicago or Cook county (where I live still counts as the suburbs, though. And pretty much anything in this corner of the state counts as "Chicago" to anyone who doesn't live here).
I suppose it's not fair of me to say that a shotgun would be fun to take to a range since I've never actually shot one. I went shooting with some friends on Memorial Day weekend. We were going to do some clay shooting with his Remington 870, but we had to change our plans because all the local campsites were full, so we only got to spend an hour at the range, all of which I spent with my 10/22 and Mosin.
I think if I got an AR with a 20" barrel it would be about all the accuracy I need. My eyes are crap, so at 300 meters or beyond I'm going to try to avoid. I forgot about the M1A. Also a very cool gun that I'd like to get, arguably more useful than the AR or SKS. The only problem is that they are insanely expensive in my area. I have a friend in central Illinois who says he has seen them in his local gunstore for less than $1000. I just need to shop around more.
Ahhh Illinois. I understand now. I will say this, if you are in a true Bug Out Situation, I think you could stash a handgun on your person and noone would be the wiser. Better safe and sorry. Try a shotgun outsometime, they are invaluable. As far as 16" versus 20" I don't think you'd notice much difference in accuracy or range. I'd get the carbine, smaller, easier to pack. If you're going to get just 1 gun. Buy the M1A. An M1A (or any cariation thereof), a Handgun and a shotgun, you'd be pretty much good to go in any situation. They are around $1k, so save your money, spend it wisely (just like you did with the Kifaru). As to exactly what and how many, I'd rather not say on an open forum for liability reasons. S
You'll notice I didn't ask for what you had nor did I list what I own :-). I agre with you completely. JG
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2008, 06:59:09 PM » |
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I enjoy spending time at the range. I'm partial to shotguns and handguns. Still have not come to enjoy rifles.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2008, 08:20:20 PM » |
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I live in Chicago, and for obvious reasons I do not own any sort of firearm. When I move out of this city I'm considering getting a vintage bolt action: I'd love an British made Enfield .303. I got the lucky opportunity to fire one out in the the swamp in Louisiana one year (this was before Katrina) and the guy who's rifle it was went "no no no, don't point it straight ahead, it'll go several miles until it hits something! Here, aim down at an angle at that stump way over there" (the stump was turned into pulp after one shot.) I swear that thing is a CANNON. The gun made the swamp boat we were standing in rock back and forth from the recoil. It was bolt action, with a 10 round clip. For the video gamers out there, think of the AWP from CounterStrike, minus the scope. I have fired my share of .30-06's, .22's and shotguns. I will say that when I went shooting clays it was the time of my life! Nothing beats the "thwop!" of a Remington over-under. Still, as long as I live in the city of Chicago I won't be packing anything anytime soon. I can has bows and arrow though. 
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2008, 10:29:16 PM » |
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You've shot a .30-06 and were more impressed with the .303?  The .303 is not much more powerful than a .30-30 but the range is about the same. I wouldn't trust either one past 150 yards. I have shot deer in the neck at 90 yards with my .30-30. I recently sold my .303, I have a sporterized model from the 1950's.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2008, 10:45:30 PM » |
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Hmm. The .30-06 was pretty powerful, but for some reason, possibly cartridge size or amount of powder in the cartridges, that .303 packed a mighty wallop. I know the particular weapon I was using had been used in combat in WWII as a sniper rifle. Maybe that's why it was so powerful? It was clearly not a standard issue weapon. I fired it side by side with a standard, run of the mill Winchester lever action .30-06 for comparison and it was almost twice as loud, and had MUCH more recoil. I was surprised at how much louder the Winchester was than I expected, but the .303 was definitely the bigger gun. Put it this way: the .303 nearly made me deaf, while the Winchester was just plain loud. I guess it's more the mystique of the gun than practicality, but hell if that wasn't a big ass rifle!
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2008, 11:38:17 PM » |
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Don't own any firearms (that will change as soon as i get my firearms license in the mail, but that could be another 2 months  ) however, I am a regular at local firing range (i rent their guns right now) I mostly fire their .45 1911's they have there, but I think next time i'll rent a revolver of some kind. Currently, with a double action 1911 I get apx 5" groupings at 50 feet. Keep in mind i've only been regularily shooting for a couple months, and by regularily i mean 2-3 times a month. It's expensive as hell to be renting guns, and i hope to shoot more after i get my own.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2008, 08:34:49 AM » |
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Hmm. The .30-06 was pretty powerful, but for some reason, possibly cartridge size or amount of powder in the cartridges, that .303 packed a mighty wallop. I know the particular weapon I was using had been used in combat in WWII as a sniper rifle. Maybe that's why it was so powerful? It was clearly not a standard issue weapon. I fired it side by side with a standard, run of the mill Winchester lever action .30-06 for comparison and it was almost twice as loud, and had MUCH more recoil. I was surprised at how much louder the Winchester was than I expected, but the .303 was definitely the bigger gun. Put it this way: the .303 nearly made me deaf, while the Winchester was just plain loud. I guess it's more the mystique of the gun than practicality, but hell if that wasn't a big ass rifle!
Are you sure the lever was a .30-06? Most lever action rifles are .30-30, a .303 will have a little more felt recoil than a .30-30. However a .30-06 will have a good bit more felt recoil than a .303, specially in a lever action or bolt action where none of the recoil is used to cycle the next round. The .30-06 in the same grain bullet as the .303 will usually have 50-100 more meters/second and will pack around 500 or more Joules of energy. JG
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2008, 05:45:10 PM » |
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arguably more useful than the AR or SKS.
As far as 16" versus 20" I don't think you'd notice much difference in accuracy or range. I'd get the carbine, smaller, easier to pack. If you're going to get just 1 gun. Buy the M1A.
I must respectfully disagree. The M1A (or M14S depending on which model you're going with), while beautiful, reliable, and in a hard-hitting caliber and more accurate than most humans are capable of shooting... ...it is also heavy, with high weight-per-shot (in comparison with the AR-15 platform), heavy, steel magazines... See where I'm going with this? Heavy. Some of us out here aren't 18-year old soldiers still able to wear a 100-pound ruck all day, finish out with a jog, drink all night, and show up for inspection functional at 0600. Most of us are old, some of us are terribly out of shape. That, and the AR is handier in close quarters, especially in the 16" barrelled version. As I've just posted in another thread, the AR-15 16" carbine is the "jack of all trades" for firearms. Does nothing particularly well, but does almost everything half-assed. And in a SHTF scenario, that's really what you need. One platform infinitely adaptable; not necessarily ideal, just adaptable. With light weight ammo because remember, you are NOT going to be getting a resupply chopper, so what you're carrying is ALL YOU GET, unless you scrounge. That, and I can build an AR-15 for half of what you'd pay for a Springfield M1A. And you can buy in the shop a Kel-Tec SU-16C, complete with built-in fold-down bipod (the handguards) built in scope mount (molded into the upper receiver) and underfolder stock (can be fired from the pistol grip with the stock fully folded) for about a THIRD of the price of that Springfield...and the Kel-Tec takes M16/AR-15 magazines. Just FYI. Are you sure the lever was a .30-06?
That would be a Winchester 1895, if I recall correctly. It was indeed chambered in that cartridge at one time. Worth a pretty penny today if in good condition. S
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2008, 10:41:45 PM » |
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I must respectfully disagree. The M1A (or M14S depending on which model you're going with), while beautiful, reliable, and in a hard-hitting caliber and more accurate than most humans are capable of shooting...
...it is also heavy, with high weight-per-shot (in comparison with the AR-15 platform), heavy, steel magazines...
See where I'm going with this? Heavy.
Some of us out here aren't 18-year old soldiers still able to wear a 100-pound ruck all day, finish out with a jog, drink all night, and show up for inspection functional at 0600.
Most of us are old, some of us are terribly out of shape.
That, and the AR is handier in close quarters, especially in the 16" barrelled version.
As I've just posted in another thread, the AR-15 16" carbine is the "jack of all trades" for firearms. Does nothing particularly well, but does almost everything half-assed.
And in a SHTF scenario, that's really what you need. One platform infinitely adaptable; not necessarily ideal, just adaptable. With light weight ammo because remember, you are NOT going to be getting a resupply chopper, so what you're carrying is ALL YOU GET, unless you scrounge.
That, and I can build an AR-15 for half of what you'd pay for a Springfield M1A.
And you can buy in the shop a Kel-Tec SU-16C, complete with built-in fold-down bipod (the handguards) built in scope mount (molded into the upper receiver) and underfolder stock (can be fired from the pistol grip with the stock fully folded) for about a THIRD of the price of that Springfield...and the Kel-Tec takes M16/AR-15 magazines.
Just FYI.
That's why America is a beautiful place, because we don't have to agree on everything. But I will still stand by my opinion, if I could only own 1 rifle. I would have an M1A (or variant). I think it is a more robust system and the .308 round is without more versatile than .223. If people or paper were the only thing you had to worry about .223 would be fine. But if it was a survival situation where you might have to take large game or fire at longer distance, the .308 would be better suited. You're right it can be a heavy gun, but the weight would be well worth it in that situation. Length is also not an issue as you can get an M1A with a 16" barrel and you only loose about 100fps over the 22" barrel. Please don't think I am knocking an AR, as I have owned 2 of them, getting ready to build my wife one and I have owned 0 M1A's (something I hope to change soon). They are expensive, they are heavy, but they certainly have their merits. I won't even go into the Kel-Tec as I don't think it is a robust enough system to put as much faith as I want in my firearms. It is a neat gun, I wouldn't mind keeping one in the truck. But when I get home I am pulling out my AR. That would be a Winchester 1895, if I recall correctly. It was indeed chambered in that cartridge at one time. Worth a pretty penny today if in good condition.
S The Winchester 1895 is not the only lever action rifle in .30-06. You can also buy the Browning BLR and it is still available now IIRC. Rantster
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