@Snarffs

I built harlequin's Standovermedia website for him. If you watch r4nger5 tv episode 1 you'll see video of both me and him. He is in Britain and I am in the US.


Which work are you referring to?

Oh, for fuck's sake, I can't believe this thread has degenerated to this already.
I run a successful small business and simultaneously work towards a larger goal of eliminating the capitalist model from my life and continuing to organize community-based labor systems that can eventually govern themselves, choose their own direction and eliminate the need for money as a basis for exchange.

Over the last 15 years of experimenting with community, it is nearly always the type of individuals that lower themselves to acts like correcting someones spelling or grammar and other empty combative gestures that stand the most  in the way of developing an efficient egalitarian model.

Maybe we are better off without the internet. (sarcasm)
People will very rarely engage each other like this face to face.
All either one of you is doing in this shallow bickering is furthering the distance between yourselves and any real solutions.
"We will never defeat the enemy if we are at each others throats.", remember?

There is nothing creative coming out of this. I am done. Thanks to all who actually tried to think outside the box.


I guess V was right about this.

I'll add a second on Scott's thought.  Though perhaps on another thread...

Ya know, ya just might be onto something there.  Much the way Statism ruined "pure" communism, it certainly appears that Statism ALSO ruined "pure" capitalism.

Possibly because both are idealistic theories difficult to put into practice because of human nature.

Which is why I'm interested in seeing a workable model.  I'd like to see what Wogs do to take into account the widest variety of human variation and still keep functioning.

I know we can do it.

Step up, y'all.  Show me what cha got.

S

It's not going to matter on the workable model. There are plenty of workable models. Anytime you involve the human element, everything goes down the toilet. Capitalism as the example would work just fine, if the people involve were a moral bunch. IMO, Ayn Rand had aired a bit of truth when explaining that most wo/men were selfish.

Ok Enkis right-

Our goal (my wife and I+ 3 year old son w/ developing opinions of his own) is to leave the system and 'culture' as we know it to whatever degree that we can acheive that and pioneer new models of our own. (reasons are another thread, see post: http://smf.rantradio.com/rantmedia-general-discussion/the-nuclear-family-is-a-deathtrap/0/
I run a very sucessful small business selling homebrew supplies (http://kennebechomebrew.com) in central Maine, and yet I have no greater desire than to leave the monetary system and all of it's abstraction behind and move back toward a tribal familial model of living in a (small) community setting. (again, see previous post listed above).
I've spent the better part of over 15 years exploring different intentional community models and ways to sustain them in the modern world (which, by my reckoning is on the verge of some drastic change).

In the big picture, the systems in place are not capable of sustaining love in their current utilization. Yah Love, it's a mutherfukin necessity.

I agree with the comments about pure communism and pure capitalism. Both have valuable aspects in concept. It's the individuals within the community that shape the strengths and weaknesses of the model, and well... people are just a friggin mess. Ego seems to destroy so much of what gets a good start... so one of the largest areas that is mostly ignored by other models is community therapy (for lack of a better term- i.e. in-life during-the-day honesty and feedback about things personal as well as business....) If you are going to have full community involvement, then you have to do the work and pay the dues to learn how to work together and solve conflict. Most people aren't ready for this. They bail when it's their turn to change.

Which brings us to slackers and dip-shits. How to deal with them... I say back to the tribal model...

I feel like the bottom line is to continue to boldly go into new social territory and go ahead and fail over and over again if that's what happens, with a model that allows for that, becuase holy shit- when you are dealin with human beings in a group, failure is imminent, yet somehow the work must get done, the food must be produced, shit must be disposed of, peace must be kept, and progress must be entertained.

Any working model can be expanded into a larger one, so for me it makes sense to continue the work of so many others and build a smaller prototype culture that might work well enough to draw people of a high enough caliber to help further develop it. All of this is no small feat, but that's what we're doing.

oh yah- and internet cencorship closes the doors of communication and free information that accelerate the process.

@Enki

Previously huge debate:

Politics Where Do You Stand
http://smf.rantradio.com/offtopicspamflamebait/politics-where-do-you-stand/

Episodes of WogRant (http://www.wogrant.com/id1.html) 10-16 also have a fair amount of debate. I'm told this show is on Rant Radio Talk.

Episode 11 of 10n3 r4nger5 of R4nger5 Radio also covers it: http://www.archive.org/details/r4nger510n3r4nger5episode11

Summaries on resources for libertarianism on a thread that got hijacked by a troll:
http://smf.rantradio.com/rantmedia-general-discussion/if-you-really-want-to-understand-libertarianism-please-read/

Just about every issue ever brought up on this board has already been sufficiently rebutted by people like Murray N. Rothbard or Stefan Molyneux for example.  There are debates all the time on YouTube, you can view my YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/avagdu) playlist covering much of this material:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/p/D98E4955004CA06D&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/p/D98E4955004CA06D&rel=1</a>

Check the above thread link also for more information.

Good YouTube channels to check out are : austrolibertarian, brainpolice2, stefbot and junior00bacon00chee who also cover these issues well.

Thanks man!