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« on: August 16, 2008, 04:11:39 PM »

" <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Y9LL6HYavrk&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Y9LL6HYavrk&rel=1</a>">
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2008, 05:57:55 PM »

...that's all I ever hear from people, is just talk. The best line I love...is to "take action." That action is by talking about it some more. Plenty of people have been talking about it since the USA was founded back in the day. Even then, shit was fucked up.

The most action I've seen was when the blacks rioted back in the 60's and when the WTO was protested by all sorts of organizations. Otherwise, it's just more talk and eventually if that information is true, it'll come to fruition.

My question is...what kind of people are going to "refresh the tree of liberty?"
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2008, 02:30:11 AM »

Have some karma, guys - whilst I still get to post.

Really couldn't agree with you more, my binary friend.There is very little in the way of action, very little in the way of a properly balanced response, because when you try to stand in the face of apathy on the sand of personal agendas, you tend to get shot down for it.

Web 2.0 is coming. The internet is going to become restricted, It will be increasingly difficult to obtain hardware that will do other than its makers intended.

So where is the alternative? For all their posturing, most people on the internet will just complain, but settle down and take their restrictions like good little sheep. They'll eventually come to love their nice clean corporate networks where no real news gets to them and all the nasty words are bleeped out.

Trouble is, we don't want those people on the underground internet. The people that are going to have access to the real internet, after your ISP cuts your access down to e-mail and corporate sites, wont want the people who stood around the virtual water cooler and just squabbled over semantics and tried to gain pathetic wins over others with childish responses.

There are people with alternatives, both hardware and software, that are moving to counter this threat to the internet, but they'll be granting access only to those who can use it responsibly, and appreciate what they have.

There are still places on the internet where free speech and balanced argument and core values reign, Where people don't resort to childish responses to get their way, in the face of truth this site does not, in my experience, currently seem to be one.

I would suggest you find those people on this site that are prepared to fight for what they believe in, and converse directly with them.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2008, 12:39:58 PM »

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...that's all I ever hear from people, is just talk.

uh, yah. The problem is that it's all just talk. I don't have any solutions because I'm a fucking farmer, not a code monkey. I posed the situation to open the discussion for solutions because I am sincerely interested. How about some real ideas instead of just bashing the whole concept into silence?
I just got interested in the possibilities of underground internet as resistance. Can anybody point the way to more information, or others who are working that way?
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2008, 02:33:14 PM »


Thanks for posting that video, Alemaker, good stuff.  What struck me as most interesting is when Alex started talking about how it Internet 2 might be implemented.  He was talking about letting the current Internet "break down," "degrade," or calling it a "collapse."  The first thing I thought about was NewsReal for Aug 11, 2008 when Sean reported on the iPatriot Act, and a possible Internet 9/11.  Wouldn't that be a great reason to switch off the "security flawed" current Internet and implement a new, better, faster, Internet 2?

My question is...what kind of people are going to "refresh the tree of liberty?"

My answer is...Patriots.
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2008, 02:51:51 PM »

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2008, 11:49:12 PM »

Sorry Alemaker, my rant about people just talking wasn't directed towards you at all. I humbly apologize if it came across as such, my emotions got the best of me and I typed it all out. Again, I apologize.

That's why I come to forums like these, because here in Colorado...there doesn't appear to be too many WOG types...or other Anarchists that I can associate with. I personally believe it'll be people like us on the forums who actually do something about these kinds of problems.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2008, 09:42:10 AM »

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My question is...what kind of people are going to "refresh the tree of liberty?"

The kind who don't talk about such activities on an open forum.

I have a quote for you:

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"Any revolt against the state and its leaders is no business of the irresponsible mass of the people and should not therefore even be discussed in too wide a circle. If the use of force against one's own state is unavoidable, it must be confined to men conscious of their responsiblities and, even more important, capable of meeting them."

--Claus von Stauffenberg

And that's all I have to say about that.

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2008, 05:44:28 PM »

There's not much you can do about it. it's been shown that voting doesn't do much good. The internet will probably get locked down harder than hard eventually.

But I'm prepared for that eventuality. I've learned how to build Packet radio transceivers (not that hard actually) i'm keeping old dialup modems around, I keep all my old wifi cards, I learn how to turn old outdated hardware into routers, switches, dialup nodes. I'm sure you can see where this is going.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2008, 06:52:05 PM »

I have a quote for you:

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"Any revolt against the state and its leaders is no business of the irresponsible mass of the people and should not therefore even be discussed in too wide a circle. If the use of force against one's own state is unavoidable, it must be confined to men conscious of their responsiblities and, even more important, capable of meeting them."

--Claus von Stauffenberg

And that's all I have to say about that.

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thats funny i always thought the american ideal was for the people and by the people, any rebellion is a piss poor attempt _unless_ it includes the masses, part of the reason russia turned out so fucked up was that it was led by it's cadre of elites instead of a ground swell discontent.

if your dicated too by one set of elites, whats the diffrence what set of elites it is? there isn't one.

To be governed at all is to be a slave, you want a real revolution, you start with a general strike thats all workers ie all people that stand to benefit.

ofcourse ideal chit chat on a board is a waste of fucking time, go create something useful that pushes society in the direction you wish to see it.

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2008, 07:33:43 PM »

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you start with a general strike thats all workers ie all people that stand to benefit.

You ever run a business?  A "general strike" will not, in the long run, benefit the workers.  What it will do is eventually weaken the company they work for, and the company will either capitulate, or go under.

How many times has a strike caused a company to close its doors?  Then what, sparky?  Now all those striking workers are unemployed with no way to feed their families.

The balance between labor and management is a difficult and complex one;  Calling for a general strike indicates that perhaps some further understanding of economics is in order.

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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2008, 05:03:27 PM »

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Sorry Alemaker, my rant about people just talking wasn't directed towards you at all.
No problem, man.
I have certainly done the same thing about a zillion times.

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The kind who don't talk about such activities on an open forum.

There is also a point to be made there, I suppose, at least as far as me askin for links to people who are working toward resistance... I could be a f-in DARPA mole for all anybody knows... problem is... I'll never learn enough to contribute if I don't get the info... Catch twenty-f-in 2.


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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2008, 01:25:56 PM »

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you start with a general strike thats all workers ie all people that stand to benefit.

You ever run a business?  A "general strike" will not, in the long run, benefit the workers.  What it will do is eventually weaken the company they work for, and the company will either capitulate, or go under.

no profiterring by making money off of slavery all ways seemed barbaric to me, i rather more go in for enjoying myself by producing things from my labour and giving them away for free, it's much more fun.

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How many times has a strike caused a company to close its doors?  Then what, sparky?  Now all those striking workers are unemployed with no way to feed their families.

the cause are affected diffrently depending on how you choose to live your life, anyone will starve if they allow themselves to, they might get off there laurals and stop pissing up the wall and create a useful society instead though, old theory here it's called you evolve or you die, id rather have 100 hungry workers around then one profiteering fat egotist that believes he allowed control others because he own's a pile of worthless money. Since i refuse to egotise about how these supposed factory workers should organise themselves how could i possible force them to organise there labour thats there buisness not mine or would you like me to just replace you and yours?

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The balance between labor and management is a difficult and complex one;  Calling for a general strike indicates that perhaps some further understanding of economics is in order.

How about you don't try telling me what books i should take stock from and i won't take stock of the crap nonsense you obviously fill your head with.

I understand perfectly the modern pseudo economics of the state run capitalism. But quite simply if all those that actually make and produce things stop work all those useless idle fucks that need to die will slowly do exactly that and please believe me those that make things are far better adapted to surviving then any utter useless mechant class(which you seem to favour?). The needs of a person are very easily dealt with and free from the burdon of you and your profiterring egotists the work would get organised far better.
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2008, 04:12:49 PM »

Hi, back again, sure you did not miss my many posts........

off subject a little

harlequin = avagdu  or  avagdu = harlequin Huh
could be way way off the mark, and of cause completely appolergise if i cause offence..... Kiss Kiss

one clicked of harlequin's sig ( http://standovermedia.tk ) to see his website and well......go see

avagdu, keep up the excellent work
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2008, 04:31:04 PM »

Hi, back again, sure you did not miss my many posts........

off subject a little

harlequin = avagdu  or  avagdu = harlequin Huh
could be way way off the mark, and of cause completely appolergise if i cause offence..... Kiss Kiss

one clicked of harlequin's sig ( http://standovermedia.tk ) to see his website and well......go see

avagdu, keep up the excellent work

I believe harleguin is with R4ner5

Avagdu has his stuff up on that site too

I'm pretty sure they are not the same person.
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