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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2008, 02:03:10 PM »

I highly doubt his generator works (first video) for a couple reasons.

1) Friction. Period.

2) Why not show information on input and output of the device? Even if it was spoofed, you could at least get some idea whether or not it was "working."

All in all, I'm hopeful that this tech is 'real' and can be used, but sadly, like everything else, if it does produce "free energy" then it WILL be swept under the rug until we (as the human race) decide to advance our society instead of our bank accounts.

I can understand the friction rebuttle if the generator itself is supposed to run off of that one quick jump start from the battery to run everything forever without the generator putting power back out to itself. But the friction is going to have a constant effect on the spinning turbine. Constant not only meaning its always there but the value is going to remain the same. This value can then be factored into the formula. I can't possibly imagine the percentages or what this formula should be because I'm not a physicist, and again this is all theoretical. And theoretically it could work.

As far as why the specs haven't been posted is because its not patented yet. I'm sure that as soon as they have the patents he'll release the information on how it works.

I agree with your statement about this being swept under the rug until "they" decide we're ready for it. I just hope someone who knows what they're doing (hopefully this someone is a wog) gets the information from this guy after the patents go through and share it with those who are interested.
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2008, 04:32:27 PM »

As for the free energy theory, I have a couple of opinions about it, They are just opinions because I haven't made this thing but here they are. There may be no such thing as a 'free lunch' but there are other sources of energy that we could harness that may have the appearance of "free energy."

The first thing that comes to mind is the power of magnets. They are always "on" and can pull for a long time (if not forever.) Where does that magnetic force come from? Perhaps it is as Tesla said "a cosmic tide" that goes in and out like the ocean or the Sun rising and setting. One thing is sure; if all the nerds are right, that energy has to come from somewhere. Can that force be harvested like the Sun and water and fire? of course it can. Running a magnet over some coiled copper produces an electric current and we have probably all done this in school.

The theory behind this device is that they create a device that has electric current running through it at an efficient rate. It doesn't have to be over-unity, just as efficient as possible. That current produces a magnetic radiation that can be harnessed by other copper wires that mirror the original wires to "catch" that magnetic harmony.

That by itself, I don't believe, will produce enough energy to power itself but I think Tesla said it could be combined with another method and on paper, once started, would produce more electric current than it consumed. Obviously the energy has to come from somewhere. I think he combined it with the copper disk (monopole) application to produce 4 or 5 times the input... on paper.
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2008, 05:37:19 PM »

On paper.

Have any of US actually done this?

I mean, it's all well and good to see it in a video, but if we can't build it and test it for ourselves, then what good is even having the information?

Of course, the "technology" is being SOLD, is it not?  That means that SOMEONE is making money;  That's not altruistic, that's greed.

Scams pretending to be altruistic are almost as old as the oldest professions.  In Server We Trust.  All others must bring data.

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2008, 06:07:13 PM »

On paper.

Have any of US actually done this?

I mean, it's all well and good to see it in a video, but if we can't build it and test it for ourselves, then what good is even having the information?

Of course, the "technology" is being SOLD, is it not?  That means that SOMEONE is making money;  That's not altruistic, that's greed.

Scams pretending to be altruistic are almost as old as the oldest professions.  In Server We Trust.  All others must bring data.

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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole3/messages

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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2008, 08:06:40 PM »

Interesting.  In a Google Search for "John Bedini" I found this:

http://www.nuscam.com/bedini_motor_open_source.html

For those who want to know what it says and don't want to click on it, I will quote here:

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/
Discussion group for the open sourcing of the simplified version of John Bedini's "School Girl" circuit and motor, which allegedly taps into radiant energy in the process of charging batteries. Project page: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG

In the fall of 2004 an Egroup was founded to attempt a replication of John Bedini's wonderful free energy machines. A number of the posters were sycophants, and the below post is an example of the blind faith some of the members placed in Mr Bedini.

Message 75 of 80, Date: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [Bedini_SG] Dear Group Members John Bedini
When in the presence of a master one should be accepting and diligent in performing the tasks. Even though you do not understand at the time just do and perform the task. Don't annoy the master with trivialities, he has given you what you need. To ask thoughtful questions is important but to think is more important. To presume you know more about what he does or disprove him with some theory or another is obnoxious and stupid and rude. In this case this person does not deserve to be your master. An automatic separation will happen. As in this case on this email list.

However, the Egroup did contain a few members who were of a mildly critical disposition, and some brave folks actually requested Mr Bedini provide charts, scope shots, and other data, to validate his claims of free energy. In response to this, Bedini posted some comments:

Message 65 of 80, Date: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:39 pm Subject: An Answer to Koen, Horace, and others, by John Bedini
I will not supply Stefan any charts,waveforms, etc.....Stefan ....looks like he is unwilling to devote his attention to anything I have said to him. I have answered his questions with complete honesty at every turn...... Stefan has a vast lack of knowledge in this field, and apparently, so do you.

Evidently getting nervous, Mr Bedini then made a rather startling claim:

There is NO free electricity produced in these systems, or any other system that I know of.

Which came as news to most of us who have followed Mr Bedini over the years. Apparently sensing that things were starting to get a little difficult, given that no-one could replicate his claimed 4:1 free energy gain, Mr Bedini then withdrew, and refused to answer any further questions.

Message 73 of 80, Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:17 pm Subject: Dear Group Members John Bedini
However, it saddens me to see that this forum has become a clearinghouse for "other topics" which I believe will not help the learning process. Therefore, I have decided to leave the group. I remain willing to help anyone who is actually building a replica of my motor, but I can no longer spend ANY time responding to other subjects. Good luck. I believe I have given you all the necessary tools to prove to yourselves what I have been saying. Just stay focused on the experimental process and let Nature teach you the truth.

But then if we examine an earlier post, then perhaps the reason for Mr Bedini not wanting to post any data becomes clear:

Message 61 of 80, Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:58 pm, Subject: Scope shots
Check out the last couple months of Keelynet messages, Bedini says that the "magic" doesn't show up on meters (so it wouldn't show up on a scope, either). He also states on his website that hooking meters, etc. up to the motors can kill the effect.

So the free energy effect, can not be measured, does not show up on equipment, and the act of measuring it, causes it to go away. One is left wondering if the effect is imaginary, and it dissapears when a probe is attached, because it does not in fact actually exist.

Finally, I felt this post from Mr Bedini gives a fascinating insight into how 'free energy' researchers actually do their measurements. In the wonderful world of crank science, a 36% efficient system (measured), properly interpreted with a magic 'radiant energy' theory supplied by Dr Peter Lindemann DSc, suddenly becomes a 250% gain (not measurable).

From: "john_bedini", Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:59 pm Subject: Sterling did you write this. John Bedini
If you did write this, let me just direct your attention to your own data. Your meters are CLEARLY SHOWING that "electrically" the output of the system is only 36% of the input, but, the output battery is charging at almost the same rate as the input battery is dropping. This indicates that the "radiant infusion" is making up for the difference. Right now, even if you are not quite at break even, your system is running at a COP of about 2.6 (1/.36 = 2.77) And this is before you have even optimized the circuit. So, the COP of the system IS the Radiant Gain! All of your "electrical losses" are almost already compensated for, but the Radiant Gain DOES NOT show up on the "electrical meters"! But it does show up IN THE BATTERIES! Further fine tuning of the circuit can raise the COP even more.

Readers are left free to draw their own conclusions about the free energy technology of John Bedini. But I think the reasons most free energy researchers prefer not to participate in open discussion, or give their devices over to independent third party testing, are self evident.
Copyright © 2004 HARLAN SANDERS & NuScam.com

To be fair, I also followed the link you posted, and read much of what was there.  What did you see that I didn't?  I saw mostly redirection of the Bendini motor into a battery charger, and debate about methodologies for battery charging.  I didn't see much at all about power outputs or anything like that.

What am I missing?

I mean, I'm not trying to be inflammatory here, but just because there's a lot of words printed on a screen about something does not make it scientific.  Yes, the guys seem to be building Bendini motor/generators, and many of them are having issues with measuring and with battery charging.  Yes, they are doing it, but none have been able, to the best of my knowledge based upon reading, to use the Bendini for much more than a battery conditioner, NOT a power source.

So, again, what am I missing?

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited by even the possibility of technology creating a way for us to have our own power by a closed-circuit generation unit that produces more energy than it consumes (also known as "over unity" with "unity" being the point where a unit creates the same amount of power it consumes), because not only would it warp the minds of conventional thinkers, but it would sure as hell be convenient as an off-the-grid power source.

But as yet, I am not convinced.

I may have to build one of these things myself, or have one built to my specifications, in order to test it in person.  Because I don't see any good answers.

And I'm not an Electronics or Electrical Engineer;  I changed tracks early in my college career (Say, 1987?) to get away from the "Double E".

I've also read this website, which details the construction as best as I can figure, complete with diagrams:

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/foreward.html

Since this page has diagrams, I will not be quoting it.  But it's there.

And it looks pretty simple.

But, DOES IT WORK??

I'm not in a position to find out just yet.

Who is?

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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2008, 09:06:47 PM »

A power output, I couldn't say. If I could, I'd rather have Bedini's full setup, compared to a solar setup, to charge a set of batteries to stay off grid. The other man, down in Australia, with his device I couldn't say either, but it wouldn't surprise me with technological advances.

I've seen plenty of people using it to recondition and extend battery life, providing viewable evidence of their setup as followed by the schematics for the SSG. I personally haven't yet built the device. I can't say 100% if it works or not, because "I" haven't done it myself, but some of the evidence is leaning towards that it does.

I simply provided information to push people in the direction of such things, that's all. If I believed everything that everyone said on forums or otherwise, I'd be driven insane and not sure about anything at all.
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2008, 01:08:52 PM »

I was only referring to the Tesla theory, not the other monopole schemes. The patents that were made and used are listed below.

http://keelynet.com/tesla/00512340.htm
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00645576.pdf

And here is a pretty good article explaining, quoting, and hypothesizing at how this would work.
http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/Fuelless.pdf

That is the idea that I would assume the fellow from Australia has built and has working. Of course this could also just be the work of internet cranks... when I have one in my greedy little hands I will know for certain if it works or not.
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2008, 12:37:48 AM »

I'd actually be pretty interested in someone on here trying to recreate this machine. I personally don't have to means to do it yet; but if anyone here does have the means I'd hope they'd be kind enought to post the results here. Who knows... with all of the brilliant wogs out there I bet we could get one working. haha, can you imagine all of us getting off the grid power? Imagine the frenzy we'd put the rest of the world in. Lets figure it out.
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