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« on: October 01, 2008, 04:44:27 PM »

Came across a video a moment ago, if it's true (it's a news story) then this tech could prove very useful... assuming it ever makes it.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/efCelx7qe_M&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/efCelx7qe_M&rel=1</a>
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2008, 12:28:14 AM »

Looks like someone has been reading up on Tesla.  Grin I think his plans for that device were published about 1908, but I could be off by a few years. I never was able to find a copy.

I can't wait to get one of these in my house... better yet, on a trailer so I can take it with me. A smaller version in an electric car would be pretty cool too.

Ok, how about this for free energy: using the tides. Why hasn't that been done yet?
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2008, 10:26:12 AM »

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Ok, how about this for free energy: using the tides. Why hasn't that been done yet?
The tech is supposed to be here.. i assume it's not is wide use either because
a) not enough money to be made
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b) the cost is more than the profit would be

Much cheaper to drill a hole and suck oil out and refine it... but what happens when it runs out? What about when the burning of it turns out planet into an uninhabitable wasteland? What's that money gonna do for you then?
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2008, 02:54:11 PM »

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Ok, how about this for free energy: using the tides. Why hasn't that been done yet?

Probably eco-terrorists.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2008, 04:13:14 PM »

I'll leave this right here...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/X6EnDBjCjBw&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/X6EnDBjCjBw&rel=1</a>
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2008, 07:38:24 PM »

Oh come on. Guys; I expected a little more skepticism here. No device has EVER been built which produced energy over unity. Period. Thermodynamics is inescapable, at least on the macro scale.

The idea of some brilliant inventor working in isolation and building a device that will change the world makes for a compelling story, but is rarely true. Go read the innovation myth.

As for these devices, I'll believe it when GE buys the patents.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2008, 08:30:05 PM »

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Oh come on. Guys; I expected a little more skepticism here. No device has EVER been built which produced energy over unity. Period. Thermodynamics is inescapable, at least on the macro scale.

The idea of some brilliant inventor working in isolation and building a device that will change the world makes for a compelling story, but is rarely true. Go read the innovation myth.

As for these devices, I'll believe it when GE buys the patents.
I usually have the stance "I'll believe it when I see it". This thread is for discussion on the ideas of "free energy" and the "what if".

Remember, there is more to reality than everyone realizes and science is flawed. We humans are not capable of understanding the universe and how it works. Our feeble little minds aren't able to grasp it all. We would be ignorant if we say something is "impossible". People said flying was impossible, look at what's out there now. People said space travel was impossible, we have been to space. There are tons of times when people truly believed something was impossible... and come to find out it was indeed possible.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 11:22:39 PM »

Oh come on. Guys; I expected a little more skepticism here. No device has EVER been built which produced energy over unity. Period. Thermodynamics is inescapable, at least on the macro scale.

The idea of some brilliant inventor working in isolation and building a device that will change the world makes for a compelling story, but is rarely true. Go read the innovation myth.

As for these devices, I'll believe it when GE buys the patents.

I've seen plenty of people recreating John Bedini's online, free schematics to reproduce his experiments. Here is the Yahoo group to get started: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole3/messages

I've also seen plenty of people online reproduce the schematics with mostly success, sometimes because of the parts they use weren't the ones he recommended, or they thought they knew better than he did about how it should work.

Historically, when a large company bought the rights to such devices it was to put the idea in storage.

And, with skepticism one has to be careful and not tip toe into absolutism, especially when one hasn't tried to recreate such experiments for themselves to have sound judgment on such matters. But, then again...I could be playing the Fool's part.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2008, 12:14:12 AM »

Ok, how about this for free energy: using the tides. Why hasn't that been done yet?

Strange you ask; it has been done.. only two days ago!

http://estb.msn.com/i/17/3991E77666A03D2C73293735C1F4.jpg

http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=9824009
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2008, 04:46:35 PM »

That is one way to do it, you could also use the waves and a float to move the generator arm up and down. There are many applications that would work and water is so much heavier than wind, it would definitely produce more current... no pun intended.

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2008, 10:02:00 PM »

Oh come on. Guys; I expected a little more skepticism here. No device has EVER been built which produced energy over unity. Period. Thermodynamics is inescapable, at least on the macro scale.

The idea of some brilliant inventor working in isolation and building a device that will change the world makes for a compelling story, but is rarely true. Go read the innovation myth.

As for these devices, I'll believe it when GE buys the patents.

I've seen plenty of people recreating John Bedini's online, free schematics to reproduce his experiments. Here is the Yahoo group to get started: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole3/messages

I've also seen plenty of people online reproduce the schematics with mostly success, sometimes because of the parts they use weren't the ones he recommended, or they thought they knew better than he did about how it should work.

Historically, when a large company bought the rights to such devices it was to put the idea in storage.

And, with skepticism one has to be careful and not tip toe into absolutism, especially when one hasn't tried to recreate such experiments for themselves to have sound judgment on such matters. But, then again...I could be playing the Fool's part.

Monopoles running over unity are a repetitive theme. I really doubt it is "different" this time.

http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html

If he is actually doing it, I will be overjoyed. Somehow I think we are all going to forget about this guy in the long term, however.

OTOH, if you have an 8k budget, and a little space outside.....http://cgi.ebay.com/2000w-Wind-Generator-Turbine-2-Year-Warranty_W0QQitemZ330274799704QQcmdZViewItem
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2X http://cgi.ebay.com/Photovoltaics-Solar-Modules-Solar-Renewable-Energy-PV_W0QQitemZ180293320355QQcmdZViewItem
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8X http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__Optima-D31M-New-8052-161-Marine-Deep-Cycle-Battery_W0QQitemZ170042742634QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2865QQcmdZViewItem which provides optimally 4800Watt Hours of power.
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1X http://cgi.ebay.com/RAMSOND-PORTABLE-6500-W-6-5-KW-SILENT-DIESEL-GENERATOR_W0QQitemZ180294763228QQcmdZViewItem (could run on veggie oil or waste light car oil).
Which is well under 8k, and lets your choose your inverter and STILL have enough money left over for a big screen TV beer.

The main trick to getting off grid is to:
 - Cook with GAS
 - Don't use electrical AC (swap coolers WORK)
 - Switch to high efficiency lighting.
 - Don't leave EVERYTHING on all the time
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2008, 06:52:41 AM »

First Rule of Thermodynamics Club = No such thing as a free lunch

I've seen similar devices built as projects but usually they don't really qualify as a perpetual motion machines, they basically run for a large amount of time slowing down and ultimately stopping as load is applied and begins to pulling current. 

If you search on youtube there are a few of these but I've yet to see one running anything more than a small light bulb.  I've seen a guy hooking up a synchronous motor to a CMOS switching circuit that lets large capacitors power it between cycles, he used a heavy flywheel to help it keep moving even after the power supply was removed, it appeared as if the thing was spinning without a power supply but after a while you start seeing the rotor slow down.

Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a combination of concepts out there that will one day help us generate super cheap energy but you still can't violate the laws of physics...to me all that means is that I need better proof than some guy running a funky looking motor without giving an explanation of how it works.  I know he would say he's protecting his invention but if I ever came up with something cool like that, I would just put it out there for everyone to have access to it.

Is there such a thing as an open source patent?
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 12:06:48 AM »

I'm sure if you patent something and say "You're welcome to produce this as long as you don't sell it" that would be the same as being open source.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2008, 02:44:19 AM »

Now I actually haven't done the research on either of the videos, YET, mainly because its 1 am and I have work in a few hours but theoretically I can see the concepts shown in the first video working. I'm no electrician or physicist but I like to think I have a pretty good head on my shoulders.
Now I could be way off base here but If I got what I think I did outa how that first machine works, with esentially the pushing/pulling of magnets to turn the turbines (or whatever you call the spinning parts of the generator) That energy could be captured and transfered to wherever. I'm assuming they're using electromagnets because of the jumpstarting with the battery, but once its started there's no reason it couldn't take a percentage of that energy and send it back to the electromagnets powering the entire thing. It would obviously then take that power and, depending on the percentage sent, would either maintain its current energy output to provide a constant, balanced flow of electricity. Or if you up the percentage slightly or not so slightly it would create an ever-increasing flow of energy. If They've built the machine right, all it would take is a simple math equation to figure out how much energy you create with that one jump start, how much of that energy your going to put to an outgoing source and how much your going to re-route back to the magnets.
 I imagine that they haven't quite got that formula down yet, so its either producing too much power cuz the power is constantly increasing and ends up overloading the curcuitry, or too little power going to the magnets and therefore dies after a period of time.
Now because its not mainstream yet I'm just guessing that they are trying to create some hardware, a computer chip or some sort, to create a stopping point for the energy increase. Ex: They want to start the thing with a AA battery but have the energy output grow to power a house in a matter of minutes, but once it reaches the right output the formula would have to change... hence a need of some sort of hardware or software to accomplish such a task.

Or I could be totally off my rocker cuz its now 1:30 a.m. and I'm in the beggining stages of sleep deprevasioin...
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2008, 10:11:33 AM »

I highly doubt his generator works (first video) for a couple reasons.

1) Friction. Period.

2) Why not show information on input and output of the device? Even if it was spoofed, you could at least get some idea whether or not it was "working."

All in all, I'm hopeful that this tech is 'real' and can be used, but sadly, like everything else, if it does produce "free energy" then it WILL be swept under the rug until we (as the human race) decide to advance our society instead of our bank accounts.
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