Epex
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« on: August 20, 2008, 06:01:04 PM » |
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 Picture is from Wynter Dark google it.What if we are wrong about global warming not that itīs not happening, just what the outcome will be? Resently I have found alot of articles about that next ice age and donīt just go "Awww bullshit" read a little: FirstSecondTo find more just google, itīs not hard to find itīs everywhere.I donīt know about you guys (and girls) but Iīm starting to feel that this may be whats going to happen.. And you know that cooled is alot worse that heat. Damn it weīll have to change afternow!  |
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avagdu
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 06:22:39 PM » |
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Yea they were claiming that we were heading into an ice age in the 70s. Oops?
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brokengret
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 11:01:22 PM » |
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Technically, we're still in an ice age, as long as glacial sheets are are present on earths surface. The world is in constant flux between ice ages.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 02:00:46 AM » |
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It's kind of funny how just a week ago I was looking into glaciers and ice ages and such.
My opinion is, I don't know what's going to happen... I just know something will happen and will happen quite soon.
From what I did see, there seems to be cycles in the glaciers and co2 and such and it seems that it's possible we could be about to start into a colder period. Then again due to humans polluting so much, there's no telling.
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sanetraitor
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 02:33:45 AM » |
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From what I hear, the other planets are heating up too, and afaIk, there are no factories, cows or cars on Mars.
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Kevin
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 04:12:29 AM » |
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I think that no matter what happens, we should make an effort to not fuck the planet up any more. Recycle, cut down pollution, all that stuff.
As far as I can see, there are 3 options that could happen:
Climate change we can't control - All we can do is prepare for it, at least we'll know it wasn't our fault.
Climate change we can control - In this scenario we would already be helping avert any bad events by reducing our impact on the planet making the controlling easier.
Nothing happens - We keep on looking for ways to minimise our impact in case something else happens in the future.
Hopefully that made some sort of sense, only been awake 20 mins.
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Epex
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2008, 05:19:46 AM » |
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Yea they were claiming that we were heading into an ice age in the 70s. Oops?
Yeah I know avagdu, itīs just that it seams to fit. @MarkReaves: Yepp I can definitely say that something is going to happen. @Kevin: Hehe you made sense and I totally agree with you as long as we donīt do anything thats irreversible to try to stop global warming. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2008, 06:33:03 AM » |
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I myself am unsure what could happen. I'm aware of the science that governs such processes on the small scale (absorption of IR radiation by the vibrational modes of heteronuclear bonds, such as those in carbon dioxide/water vapour/methane, etc) but my knowledge of the way larger atmospheric systems function is lacking. From what understanding I do have of the larger systems though, we're not so much causing some kind of artificial/unnatural effect as we are messing with the delicate balance of atmospheric gases, perturbing the equilibrium you could say...My view on all of these processes is vaguely based on Le Chatelier's principle of chemical equilibrium if that makes any sense...
Anyway, I'm of the opinion that, though I don't know for sure what's happening, reducing the amount of crap we're dumping into the air is never a bad thing...
And let's not forget that there are other problems caused by this increase in carbon dioxide concentration, like the falling pH level of the oceans...
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avagdu
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2008, 08:05:14 AM » |
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Kevin
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2008, 09:19:25 AM » |
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I didn't say recycle everything. In those videos, they did say that some things are worth recycling, aluminum for example. Separating organic waste from inorganic stuff would be good, chuck all the organic matter in a pile ( this includes fecal matter), wait a while and you have compost which you could use on a garden/allotment/farm or sell. People use far too much stuff that is simply not needed. It's the consumer lifestyle that is the problem when it comes to waste. If we use less, less is then wasted and the lower the impact we have on the planet. Instead of sending off plastic to be recycled, why not reuse it yourself? That would definitely save money and resources. The supermarkets around me are pushing folk into getting big bags for their shopping that last a lot longer than the plastic bags in use. In short, recycle what is good to recycle, reuse the rest. The one thing that disturbed me was that they said to save trees, read less and watch more tv. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2008, 09:35:51 AM » |
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Here's the way I see it:
We as humans are arrogant in believing we are doing anything to this planet. We are like ants on the side of a skyscraper saying "We can't let the building collapse!"
What we are harming, however, is our ENVIRONMENT. If we poison the environment, we kill ourselves, but the planet will still be here.
The trouble with us is that we as humans do two self destructive things:
1) We cavalierly go forward with environment-poisoning projects without knowing what we're doing
2) We ignore evidence that currently running environment-poisoning projects are poisoning the environment.
Worse, the very agencies we entrust to enforce the abeyance of such behaviors is both corrupt and bureaucratic, i.e. marginally ineffective on the worst offenders, and hypervigilant against the smallest ones.
So, to the question at hand:
Are we headed into an ice age?
Well, so what if we are? We're Wogs. Improvise, overcome, adapt. Humanity lives in cold regions. We have adapted to it in many effective ways: Better heating, better insulation, indoor greenhouses, etc.
An ice age may make things difficult, and will most definitely shift the economies of many global powerhouses. But will it threaten to wipe out humanity?
I don't think so. Especially when there are so many Wogs who can improvise, overcome, and adapt.
So, Ice Age, Global Warming, whatever. We will learn what we can about what could happen, what may happen, so we will be better prepared for what WILL happen, and our adaptations may be at the forefront of humanity's leading edge.
In the meantime, I'm all for using the realization and the re-explanation of the scary things coming as a motivation for the ignorant and the sane to do something useful for the environment.
But which way the pendulum swings...honestly, does it really matter? We as wogs are going to adapt either way. Luckily, there are enough of us that we have the mental capacity and intestinal fortitude to research a nearly infinite number of practical avenues.
So come, Global Warming.
Come, Ice Age.
We're wogs, and we've got your number.
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2008, 10:43:02 AM » |
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Scott: agreed. We shouldn't be worried about global warming, or cooling, we should be worried about "shitting where we eat" so to speak. The only human feat i can see destroying the world would be full on nuclear warfare, and I sincerely hope we're not that dumbtarded.
I seen a article (can't be bothered to look it up at the moment, i'll try when I get home) That suggested that global warming was not caused by us, or any natural cycle, but by the sun being hotter, and the evidence was that polar melt and increase in overall temperature was being detected on other planets, which we have no effect over (unless you are crazy enough to believe the mars rover is polluting the whole planet). To me, this seems like th most plausible explanation, any change to the sun at all would totally affect the entire planet at once, being the primary source of all energy on this planet. It has just a little more sway than we do as far as affecting our climate.
Of course, humanity has survived ice ages in the past, with no tech, just some spears, furs, and possibly a knowledge of fire. And we have people who live in the hottest, most desperate regions of desert on the planet, i'm sure we could adapt to either.
I'm not worried about global warming or cooling, i'm worried about having to carry a water filtration device with me everywhere i go lest I die of heavy metal poisoning or something.
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avagdu
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2008, 01:23:16 PM » |
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@ Kevin I didn't say recycle everything. In those videos, they did say that some things are worth recycling, aluminum for example. Separating organic waste from inorganic stuff would be good.
In short, recycle what is good to recycle, reuse the rest.
I agree, and I do. http://smf.rantradio.com/offtopicspamflamebait/who-here-cares-about-the-environment/msg7114/#msg7114 |
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2008, 01:55:48 PM » |
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As a smith, my brother have a use for everything.
Blacksmiths take care of everything, even stuff like poop and piss.
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2008, 02:26:02 PM » |
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Recycling, energy efficiency, etc.... Meh. (paraphrasing Bruce Sterling) There are around 7 billion people alive on this planet, and by an rational measurement, that is about 6.5 billion too many. Reduce the number of humans, and the problem will solve itself. I am not advocating any kind of radical action. I think that the problem will solve itself. We are balanced on the edge of an extremely complicated non-linear system. Disease, famine, war, or even just basic economics could all solve this problem for us, and all we need to do is continue being as incompetent as we are now  BTW: Y'all should read The Upside of Down by Thomas Homer Dixon, who use to be a consultant for the CIA, and is a social complexity theorist. |
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