then shoot yourself

I'm going to take an even stronger stance and say that was REALLY uncalled for, especially considering Enki is a board admin.

Harlequin, are you stupid or just a troll?  Either way, somehow I don't think you belong here;  This is not your first time behaving in what seems to be a deliberately agitative manner.  It is people like you that make moderating discussion boards a requirement.  I'm sorry you have to get your jollies crapping on other peoples' hobbies, but really, take it somewhere else.

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I believe that there are some very simple solutions to many of our problems.

1.) Support adoption as opposed to in vitro fertilization, there are already plenty of kids that need homes and parents.
2.) Don't waste so damn much; if you don't need it, then you probably shouldn't buy it.
3.) If you can do things yourself, like compost organic waste, recycle your plastics and metals, then give it a shot.
4.) Walk somewhere if you can.

These are just suggestions.  We have a large garden, and I personally compost, but I don't recycle yet(you have to pay for the service out here, and we just can't afford it right now).

Little things really do help, especially if done by a lot of people.  Just look at the Wog populous.  We're resourceful and can adapt to almost anything.
But shooting down or attacking ideas and opinions on any subject just shows a narrow minded unwillingness to try.

Ok, to rehash the old thread, I do remember the news of the coming ice age from the 70's. As a kid I was scared out of my mind. Then in high school they started again with the ozone layer and global warming/green house gases. Now I am starting to see the reports of another ice age. Its all bullshit! They just want everyone living in fear. The entire north pole could melt and it wouldn't change our lives one bit.

Is there over population? Yes there is but it will work itself out. It is proven that when populations become to close, people who would otherwise be nice, start to show homicidal urges due to the overcrowding. Mother nature is a bitch. This is why people are talking about and thinking about controlling the population.

China tried to control their population (and still does) for years. Because everyone wants boys they have abortions as soon as they find out the sex. Its illegal but they still do it. The population is now 3/4 male and way out balanced. Places like Germany have had their populations level off because the people have slowed down their breeding to the same level as their deaths... unconsciously of course (mother nature again.)

The kind of paranoia and fear mongering you get on the nightly news only creates the consent power mongers need to bomb Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, etc. don't be afraid, thats just what they want.

Pollution, the pollution IS a big problem because it does cause health problems but to think that it is going to make the earth explode or die is wrong. Breathing smog is bad for you, just the other day a 16yo girl died from a collapsed lung, but the factories pump out a million times more pollution than we all could if we smoked two packs a day. They are telling us that we are the problem when it is the big businesses and volcanoes that do the majority of air pollution.

BS.

http://www.comcar.co.uk/newcar/companycar/poolresults/co2litre.cfm has a link with actual numbers for CO2 production per litre fuel. This is based on simple chemistry, and shows a number very similar to the CO2 calculator numbers for driving alone. Add in CO2 for heating, industrial processes, etc, and it is easy to see where the 14T number comes from. You can choose to believe what you want about CO2 production, but calling it down without doing the high school math for yourself is just disingenuous.

Further, the study you quote by one Monty Hieb (an amateur scientist at best with absolutely no accreditation) is a well known hack, with connections to the Coal industry. http://adamant.typepad.com/seitz/2007/09/planetologist-o.html for one of many. Just Google the man's name. As an added bonus, the registrar for the domain geocraft.com: http://WWW.CHRISTIANWEBHOST.COM/

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if you are going to claim that a site is inaccurate, you should really vet your own sources first.

Source?

1% increase per annum over homeostasis would lead to pretty huge increases over 20 years.

Oh yeah; here is a page with relative sources of CO2, methane production: http://www.dnrec.delaware.gov/ClimateChange/Pages/Risingconcentrationofatmosphericgreenhousegases.aspx

Also: http://www.gcrio.org/ipcc/qa/05.html#fig1 the ice core data is pretty conclusive. Even if we could show that humans are not responsible for the CO2 increases, we still should be a little concerned about the rapid rate of change (which corresponds exactly with the industrial revolution, btw).

And again folks; I see this kind of posting all the time: "I don't believe that study. I heard somewhere that blah blah blah refutes it", and then you don't show a source, or you show one that is pathetically badly written and obviously fallacious. I would LOVE to get some really scientifically solid arguments against global warming, but so far all anybody has ever shown me are industry shills and religious whackjobs.

If you want to bury your heads in the sand, that is fine, but choose evidence that at least passes the grade 10 reading level test.

Link to previous thread?

Also, the link I posted in the previous post with total atmospheric CO2 shows a TOTAL increase of over 20% in just the last hundred years, so that 1% human involvement figure is pretty much out of the window. These are ice cores corroborated by atmospheric measurement. Not a lot of room for refutation on these results.

Even if it turns out humans are NOT at fault (and I really doubt that this sudden rise right when we develop industry is a coincidence), we still need to investigate taking action, or we are in for a world of hurt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas (I can see this getting spurned only due to it's being ON wikipedia) has a pretty accurate explanation. Essentially, more CO2 leads to more heat being absorbed by the atmosphere, which drives up the equilibrium average temperature of the planet. Human contribution to CO2 IS vanishingly small per year, but cumulatively is very significant.

Plants DO use CO2 to grow, but apparently not as fast as we are producing it, or the numbers wouldn't be growing.