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« on: September 11, 2008, 02:37:08 PM »

I find myself wondering more often than not, if there would be a benefit to opening a WOGish type school. I mean a real school that young kids could learn important information that is not taught in schools anymore. Things like actual history, self defense, medicine, etc. What is the general consensus on a school like this?

I don't really have the means to create a school but I am curious to hear what peoples thoughts are on it.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2008, 02:47:20 PM »

While I would love to help start a WOG school, I think it would cost too much money without government aid et cetera. What we could do however, is standardize a curriculum, and home school our children, and if not home school, then at least give them WOG lessons after school. I plan on doing something similar with my children, starting at a very young age. If I have children that is. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2008, 03:11:17 PM »

while i doubt an actuall school would ever fly with the gov, let alone the public ("they're teaching their kids to kill!"  people will scream) but teaching kinds these skills at home is good, actualyl beter because it also makes a bond between parent and child, which is invaluable.  I didn't get to see my dad much until i was old enough to work for him, but he taught me alot, which kept the bond strong.

Now I don't like kids, wouldn't want to raise em any time soon, but If I had a momentary lapse of judgement, alcohol induced or otherwise, and ended up with a kid, I would raise him/her with the wog way in mind.
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2008, 03:18:11 PM »

I have a daughter and another due new years eve (yeah, I'm creating an army Grin) I am starting with the home schooling but Uncle Sam is regulating her development in ways that I would rather he not.

Last night on the news they proudly said "after changes to the way tests are administered the LAUSD has noticed an increase in test scores..." This is the same as saying they dumbed down the tests so everyone could pass. Lovely.

But I have been through the system, I know that they are teaching absolute crap. Those are the kinds of things one worries about as a parent.

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2008, 04:39:52 PM »

Around here in southern Minnesota there are quite a few Charter schools and the like, and I think that they are pretty good ideas if you can get enough like minded parents together that are willing to devote the time and effort into teaching kids. If you plan to home school your kid(s) and not put them in a Charter school or something like that, please…please…please enroll them in as many extracurricular activities as possible.

I went to College and there were two home schooled kids in my sophomore class and they were very socially inept when it came to working in groups or partaking in outside school fun. They ended up dropping out after that year because they were too stressed out by all the people and teachers. I should mention they were listed as sophomores but it was there freshman year, great grades and test scores but them ahead.

My cousin, her husband, and my friend are all teachers and they agree that home school is good for giving your kids an education, but can really stunt their social growth.
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2008, 05:20:45 PM »

Check out the local community, homeschoolers can be very well organized with tons of group activities. 

I would also make the counterpoint that being in public school does not magically make a child socially adept. 

As far as starting a school, regulations vary considerably from state to state and, obviously, from country to country.  I've heard places where you had to have two levels of education greater than the grade that you were going to teach.  Other places required one person in the organization to hold a degree in education.  Sometimes it is as simple as teaching the local approved curriculum and maintaining the test scores.  I bet once someone really digs into the issue they'll find that setting a school up isn't any more difficult than establishing a business.

There are military schools, there are hippy schools.  It seems that every other rinky dink church has their own school around here.  As long as there are enough children to make a school viable within a community, that community can run a school. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2008, 06:03:14 PM »

...I remember seeing a documentary on an Anarchist school being run back in the day. Even attendance was voluntary. Unfortunately, I can't remember the documentary now...
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2008, 07:38:57 PM »

Food for thought:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Modern-Homesteading/1971-11-01/How-To-Start-Your-Own-School.aspx

Not for everyone's taste and it's from 1970 but we're not the first people to start thinking along these lines.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2008, 05:45:43 AM »

It was possible that the documentary about an anarchist school was for a place in the UK for Summerhill School - which was a pretty grand experiment.

Home schooling rocks - there are a lot of things that can be said for it - it is a massive fallacy to imply that children need to go to school to be socialised.

On the subject of wog lessons for kids - first and foremost take them camping a lot - show them nature and self-reliance and the wog attitude will follow - then follow that up with more real-world self relaince and bingo! you have a WOG child.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2008, 08:07:39 AM »

On the subject of wog lessons for kids - first and foremost take them camping a lot - show them nature and self-reliance and the wog attitude will follow - then follow that up with more real-world self relaince and bingo! you have a WOG child.

Enroll them in a martial art. It will reinforce discipline, place the kid in a social environment, keep the kid in shape, and teach self-defense all in one go. Plus, if you do decide to place the kid in a public school (lets face it, most people can't afford to have a stay at home parent these days) it will also boost self esteem (since kids at school can be jerks) and help prevent onset of ADD.

Edit: given the option, you could even join WITH the child and re-enforce a parent-child bond, while keeping yourself in shape at the same time.

edit2: I can't emphasize the importance of parent-child bonds enough. No one bonds with their kid anymore, which is the reason our society is so screwed up. I bond very closely with my dad and my sister bonds with my mom, so we actually still have a family unit.

Also my dad is fairly wog, he just doesn't know it Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2008, 11:07:46 AM »

Here's a creepy thought.

Military Schools, while not as en vogue anymore as they used to be, are much more "socially acceptable" and "mainstream" than coming right out and teaching the Wog method.

And let's face it, we DO use military surplus, and have many can-do, improvise-overcome-adapt mindsets shared by the military.

Why not just open a military school, with greater emphasis on REAL military skills, not just the show-pony stuff?

There, you've got the discipline, I'll bet you could find teachers with the skills you want to teach who are comfortable in a military structured environment, and for sake of appearances, you could do a little of the show-pony stuff for the parents so they know "Johnny's a good boy...he's so well disciplined."

Because the most important attribute military school should teach is SELF discipline, and self-sufficiency can go hand-in-hand with that.

Self Discipline keeps you from eating your week's worth of food in 3 days.
Self Discipline keeps you from engaging an enemy more easily avoided.
Self Discipline keeps you from needlessly jeopardizing your lives or the lives of those who depend on you for guidance.

Bottom line:

I'm thinking a military school with a "Green Beret" type flavor:  Unconventional, Highly Educational, Multiple-Mastery Polymath type school where those who graduate are qualified to TEACH pretty much anything they've been taught, because how they were taught it was so in-depth.

Instead of the "just skim the surface" of some courses and curriculums, our students will graduate as experts in one or more fields.

Wog fields.

What better way to create Wogs than to create Wog Teachers?

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2008, 01:16:20 PM »

All good points by everyone. Socializing can be done without going to public school. My daughter is 4 now and she has karate, gymnastics, and is going to start hockey soon and she is very well adapted socially. The school, the karate, and taking her outside has made her able to have a grown up conversation with adults. She goes hiking with me but we haven't gone camping yet (outside of the yard) but we will soon.

Well the idea that I had (not that I intend to actually create a school no matter how cool it would be) is to create a curriculum containing three veins. I got the idea from an old newsreal where SK and Cimm were talking about humans evolving into two distinct groups: warriors and scientists. There really should be three groups warriors, scientists, and spiritual leaders. Before you all say, "what?! religion?!" the way I define spiritual leaders is pretty much moral and positive attitude (enjoying nature.)

It would work like this: kids of 4 would go through basic Kinder classes (drawing, art & crafts, words, letters, numbers, playing, socializing, etc) really basic stuff. This would determine their aptitude for physical, mental, or spiritual leadership (they are all developed into leaders.) Their focus would then start at the age of 5 with a secondary focus and a tertiary focus. If you had an aptitude for physical more than mental, and mental more than spiritual, you would take classes at a ratio of 3/2/1. Three physical classes, two science classes, and one spiritual class. Everyone would learn all three aspects of human existence. You could change your focus at any time and it would all be voluntary of course.

There would be no grading scale. You either learn it or you don't. If you don't learn something, you don't pass. Only makes sense right? For instance, if you need to assemble an M15 and you don't know how to put in the firing pin, you fail. This would create a system where people did what they were good at, no question about it. You would know where you fit and you would do what you were meant to do.

Work at your own rate. Kids are treated as adults and responsible for their actions. The teachers would have to LOVE what they do otherwise the kids would grow bored. The real key would have to be the teachers, not the students, because that is how you REALLY learn. Lead by example, etc.

How about a sample curriculum?
Physical classes - physical exercise,  karate, 1st aid, etc.
Mental classes - history, chemistry, strategy, etc.
Spiritual - botany, meditation, art, music, etc.

1 person teaches 10. Those 10 are qualified teachers, after they pass a class, who can teach another 10 each. The wog virus would spread quick.
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2008, 03:20:21 PM »

@Enloopius - Sounds like a fun set up.  As part of leading by example and to help preventing kids from assuming that authority is always all knowing, I think teachers in one subject should be encouraged to take courses at the school in other subjects.  Thus, they see very clearly that their applied science instructor is very, very good at, say, field expedient chemistry, and they can learn a lot from him/her.  Becuase that instructor is also a student in their firearms class, they see that a) being an authority in one thing does not make one all-knowing, and b) being well-educated makes it easier to pick up new knowledge and skills becuase you already know how to learn. 

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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2008, 05:59:46 PM »

Food for thought:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Modern-Homesteading/1971-11-01/How-To-Start-Your-Own-School.aspx

Not for everyone's taste and it's from 1970 but we're not the first people to start thinking along these lines.

Great link.

When I think of a WOG school I tend to hit both hippie and military school ideals but the overwhelming thought is that a school is a place to learn what you want to be. The only way to really do that is by seeing it in action. The teachers would do what they do best and the students would learn by seeing them doing it. They would be enthusiastic about it and the kids who liked it would pick up on that. There is no need to create or mold people into anything but leaders in the field they have chosen to become.

@Saigh
Yeah, exactly. There is too much separation between the teachers and students. There is too much separation between actually doing something and the theory of it. All schools are pretty much just book teaching now. Which is great if you just want to learn to read.
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2008, 08:15:40 PM »

I've been looking at children's books from the late 1800's-early 1900's on Google Books and let me tell you that activity books back then were just that -- activities!  How to make kites, boats, bridges, buoys, light signals, 'gravity trains' (you and I call them roller coasters now), hiking, camping, building shacks, aquariums. 

Of course I have an arithmetic book from 1895 that has the following question:

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By an accident a boy had 2 fingers cut from his right hand, and 3 from his left hand. How many fingers has he left?
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