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For anyone wondering, I'm bowing out. It was great being here but I have to move on. I wish I could stay and keep contributing here but it just can't continue.
It was fun and I thank everyone for everything they have done.
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2008, 05:32:33 PM » |
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Lame. I got tired of hearing this dood say "Did you not hear that? Did you not hear that?"
I think it is easy to take a couple of short sentences from an interview and blow them out of context.
Yup, you guessed it, I am voting for Mccain. But not because of Mccain, because of Palin. I like Palin. I despise both Mccain & Obama & had Mccain not made such a good choice for his running mate, I'd be voting for Bob Barr the Liberatarian candidate.
At least at the end of the video the guy speaks some truth, it doesn't matter if you vote Republican or Democrat. They are all from the same priviledged families, they go to the same schools, they are in the same fraternities and social organizations. They are the same essentially but some will have variances. You just have to choose your variance. I prefer firearms, so I am voting for Mccain as his stance on firearms is exponentially better than Obama's.
Your mileage may vary.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 07:14:55 PM » |
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Hey Rantster, I could be wrong, but Obama seems like a foregone conclusion at this point.. But I don't have to like that.. Also, I have a hard time believing they will go back on the 'Assault Weapons' Ban or some other asinine gun control laws but I could be wrong there. It just seems the 'ugly black rifles' have found their way into way too many American homes to be demonized at this point. Yup, you guessed it, I am voting for Mccain. But not because of Mccain, because of Palin. I like Palin. Why? It may sound conspiratorial or something, but it seems to be like Palin is just a huge red herring, a huge distraction, its the establishment or the GOP or whomever trying to give you one last ride. I could be wrong though, if Palin is virtuous in some way feel free to enlighten me there. At least at the end of the video the guy speaks some truth, it doesn't matter if you vote Republican or Democrat. They are all from the same priviledged families, they go to the same schools, they are in the same fraternities and social organizations. They are the same essentially but some will have variances. You just have to choose your variance. I prefer firearms, so I am voting for Mccain as his stance on firearms is exponentially better than Obama's. If this is about virtue and preferences, and you like firearms, why not vote for Barr? I don't wanna yank your chain here I'm really interested in what your thoughts are. Thanks!
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 09:47:52 PM » |
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Hey Rantster,
I could be wrong, but Obama seems like a foregone conclusion at this point.. But I don't have to like that..
Also, I have a hard time believing they will go back on the 'Assault Weapons' Ban or some other asinine gun control laws but I could be wrong there. It just seems the 'ugly black rifles' have found their way into way too many American homes to be demonized at this point. I am scared that Obama is a forgone conclusion, that he will get elected. Obama has voted in favor of all legislation supporting gun control since he has been in office. It would not surprise me in the least if he tries to instigate more forms of gun control. Might not be guns, it might be ammo or magazines or... Who knows, I just know the guy has a shitty record when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. Even though Heller vs. DC came out in favor of the 2nd Amendment it was only 5 to 4. That is far far too close. Why?
It may sound conspiratorial or something, but it seems to be like Palin is just a huge red herring, a huge distraction, its the establishment or the GOP or whomever trying to give you one last ride. I could be wrong though, if Palin is virtuous in some way feel free to enlighten me there.
She could be. I don't know. I just like how she handles herself, I like her stance on several issues. I like Palin.
If this is about virtue and preferences, and you like firearms, why not vote for Barr?
I don't wanna yank your chain here I'm really interested in what your thoughts are.
Thanks!
Because I know Barr has no chance in hell of winning. I have had the same argument for several months now "I am voting Barr, because I am voting my conscious, not trying to decide between the lesser of two evils, etc etc..." There are some things about the Mccain campaign I agree with. Personally I do not feel that we should pull out of Iraq just yet, I don't think our mission is done there. There are some issues I don't think that either party really has a good grasp on (Taxes, Small Business, Fixing this Economy). But to beat all else, I don't think Obama will be good for this country. He has absolutely no executive experience, he has an incredibly sketchy background and he has done far too many stupid things. I mean 57 states, not soluting when the national anthem was being played etc. etc. Then there are his ties with the Muslim community, the last thing we need is a president with ties to Islam.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 11:17:29 PM » |
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But to beat all else, I don't think Obama will be good for this country. He has absolutely no executive experience, he has an incredibly sketchy background and he has done far too many stupid things. I mean 57 states, not soluting when the national anthem was being played etc. etc. Then there are his ties with the Muslim community, the last thing we need is a president with ties to Islam.
Wow. Wow. I don't have an issue with you wanting to vote for McCain because of Palin. I don't agree, but I don't have any reason to think less of you for it. It's America, do what you want. But that. Wow. That's just a shame. You don't have to like Obama based on his voting record. If you would've just ended it after talking about his anti-2nd Amendment-ish record, that would have been one thing. But not liking him because he didn't salute? Because he "has ties to Islam"? Are you saying Palin has no sketchy background? She hasn't done "far too many stupid things"? That's some backward thinking friend. You're confusing Republican propaganda with actual fact.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 11:32:07 PM » |
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But to beat all else, I don't think Obama will be good for this country. Don't get me wrong, I don't like either of the mainstream candidates. I'm not routing for either of them. Just to be clear though, I don't see how the popular vote actually elects anyone. If it did, Kerry would have been elected not W. Bush. It's not about 'voting for someone who has a chance of winning' - because we don't even decide that, the electoral college does. Or perhaps they're all pre-selected, who knows. It's a selection not an election! Hehe. Anyways.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)#Claims_against_the_Electoral_CollegeMaybe I'm jaded, but individuals engaging in national politics doesn't seem to be very effective in changing anything. If the establishment wants something, they will have it. Best you can do is take care of you and yours as well as you can and ensure that you can still operate no matter what they decide to do. If you give your trust and power to a particular president, congress or administration they will just pass that power onto the next candidate that you probably won't like anyway. It's a shell game folks. I don't have an issue with you wanting to vote for McCain because of Palin. OK, maybe I'm missing something.. Again, what is amazing about Palin?
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2008, 12:53:14 AM » |
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I'll be writing in "Ron Paul" Myself. I also am voting my conscience this election, as I think either candidate is gonna nail us up the poop chute without grease.
And I'll now share a philosophy that's beein brewing in my head since about a week before I finally re-registered to vote after a near decade-long hiatus.
We've been fighting tyranny in the form of empty-headed statist liberalism for going on 40 years in this country. It's a war of attrition where neither side wins. As Claire Wolfe said: "America's at that awkward stage: It's too late to work within the system and too early to start shooting the bastards."
Well, we've been in that awkward stage since about 1975 or so.
It's time to shit or get off the pot. Since getting off the pot (going back to the way it was) is not an option, maybe it's time to introduce a little more laxative so things can GO to shit, so we can rebuild it from the ashes.
Which is why I registered as a DEMOCRAT.
The standstill is stagnation, and while we fight over nitpicky little things, the statists gain ground every election, whether they're republican or democrat.
But the democrats tend to do more damage and blame it on the republicans.
So, let me be one of the ones igniting the rockets on the Handbasket.
Because if we don't, this thing will come to a head in the NEXT generation, and there are fewer and fewer of us who can still THINK, who still BELIEVE in something, who still have the will to stand and fight.
We don't have the numbers in the next generation to win this. It has to be while I'm still young enough to make a difference.
That's my point of view.
Time to strain those rectal muscles and take a great big dump so we can start cleaning out the festering colon that the United States has become.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 10:39:26 AM » |
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OK, maybe I'm missing something.. Again, what is amazing about Palin?
As far as I am aware, and I'm pretty damn aware.. there is nothing special about Palin at all. I just don't have an issue with someone voting for McCain because they like her because, well, I could probably introduce myself to thousands of sad, empty women who are probably doing the same thing just based on gender. Or thousands of Christian fundamentalists. Scary world we're heading toward.
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2008, 11:07:48 AM » |
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Wow.
Wow.
I don't have an issue with you wanting to vote for McCain because of Palin. I don't agree, but I don't have any reason to think less of you for it. It's America, do what you want. But that. Wow. That's just a shame.
You don't have to like Obama based on his voting record. If you would've just ended it after talking about his anti-2nd Amendment-ish record, that would have been one thing. But not liking him because he didn't salute? Because he "has ties to Islam"? Are you saying Palin has no sketchy background? She hasn't done "far too many stupid things"?
That's some backward thinking friend. You're confusing Republican propaganda with actual fact.
I am not saying Palin doesn't have a sketchy background, she could but I have seen no evidence that Palin has a sketchy background. What I see from Palin is that she is a regular family person with conservative values. I like that. If you can provde me some evidence that she has a sketchy background, I will view it openly. If you're running for the Chief Executive in the US, you need to know some things about the US. For instance when you're at a Political Event and the national anthem is playing, you need to know to place your hand over your heart. You also need to know that there are 50 states and not 57 (yes he actually said 57, the video is on youtube & you can read about it snopes). And as far as ties to Islam go, I don't care if this gets me branded prejudice or whatever, but you mark my words, in our lifetime we're going to be fighting a war with them. On our soil. I used to believe that each religion had a purpose, that most religions were inherently good and taught morality to their people. Then some muslims flew airplanes into our buildings. Then Muslims started cutting American's heads off of TV. Then I got to reading about Islam. Islam is not good. They feel with all of their soul that us infidels (Infidel = ANYONE who is NOT Muslim, regardless of your Religious affiliation or lack thereof) are the enemy and deserve to be slaughtered. Study it yourself. Don't take my word for it. As for me, I am a 30 year old, caucasion male of Welsh descent living in the South. I grew up in a fairly conservative Baptist family of Yellow-Dog Democrats (In fact my Maternal Grandfather was State Representative for about 25 years). In some areas I am very Liberal, in some I am exceedingly conservative. But most of all I believe in the Bill of Rights.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2008, 12:04:11 PM » |
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Me personally, I'm not planning on voting (for many reasons) and I think neither candidate is worth a shit. McCain isn't worth shit, neither is Obama. Palin makes me very nervous. She puts off a very bad feeling.
Overall we are fucked politically and there's not much we can do because I'm sure McCain is gonna win. Why McCain? Why did Bush win? He didn't technically win the first election. It was set up. This coming election (if it even happens) will be set up also. McCain will win because he seems to go along with what is already here better than Obama.
Then you are a fool. You have absolutely no right to bitch about what the US Government does or does not do if you are not going to participate in the democratic process. Even if you don't like how the presidential election is going, there will be other elections to vote on Nov. 2nd. State & Local elections will also be happening.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2008, 12:26:19 PM » |
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Then you are a fool. You have absolutely no right to bitch about what the US Government does or does not do if you are not going to participate in the democratic process.
http://www.mrlizard.com/voterite.htmlI think, the people who do not vote, have more of a right to "bitch" than those who do vote.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2008, 12:44:33 PM » |
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That's such a lame cop-out. There are still local & state elections which you can be a party of. The president isn't the only elected person is America.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2008, 12:49:35 PM » |
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Then you are a fool. You have absolutely no right to bitch about what the US Government does or does not do if you are not going to participate in the democratic process.
http://www.mrlizard.com/voterite.htmlI think, the people who do not vote, have more of a right to "bitch" than those who do vote. So come election day you're going to stay home and do what? It the revolution starting that day? Are you going to start working towards shedding the bonds of your corporate and political masters? Or will you just sit on your couch with a feeling of smug self-superiority as you watch actions unfold that you took no part in? How can you possibly think that, by doing nothing, you're morally superior to the people who believe or even just hope that by voting they'll help make a change that will improve things?
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2008, 01:57:14 PM » |
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That's such a lame cop-out. There are still local & state elections which you can be a party of. The president isn't the only elected person is America.
As specifically said, "no one in power represents me." It doesn't matter if it's a president, senator, governor, mayor, or whatever title you'd like to insert. I'm being forced to be lead by people who I don't want to be led by in the first place. I never agreed to the same social contract that obviously you have agreed too. So, why can't I bitch about the political system and it's choices again? And list specifically the reasons it is a "lame cop-out" please. So come election day you're going to stay home and do what? It the revolution starting that day? Are you going to start working towards shedding the bonds of your corporate and political masters? Or will you just sit on your couch with a feeling of smug self-superiority as you watch actions unfold that you took no part in? How can you possibly think that, by doing nothing, you're morally superior to the people who believe or even just hope that by voting they'll help make a change that will improve things?
It would be a error on your part by assuming that I have done nothing at all. Personally, I started my own revolution long ago when I decided not to participate as much as I possible could with the government. I don't depend on other people to fight my fights or give me my "freedom." I do what I want and how I want when I want, as long as it's within my moral boundaries. I work within your political system, taking advantage of it because it's available to me. In essence, I use the tools of your Master against the same system you are living by, I assume. Truthfully, I do see myself morally superior to some people because I've taken the time to educate myself and contemplate the things I have learned, for free mind you. I've taken responsibility for my actions of the past and will for the present. I've eaten a lot of "crow" so to say, which some people don't wish to do. I do that in order to make myself better for the community I'm around, there affecting the community. I have other choices in how I affect my community by choosing to not use credit cards, or where I spend my money, or trading goods, or giving things away to those in need. I have other choices in how I affect my community by walking or biking, instead of paying for gas or car insurance. I have a lot of choices that I create for myself everyday through the education and awareness that I have. I don't need to waste my time by mailing in a ballot or standing in a long line. If you choose to do that, so be it. It's not my choice, but if it works for you fine. But, don't tell me that I don't have a right to bitch when all I've done is tried to make myself better for the community I wish to make better also. Standing in a line or mailing in a ballot doesn't afford you the right to bitch and not myself. I live my freedom, I don't ask for it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2008, 01:58:32 PM » |
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I am not saying Palin doesn't have a sketchy background, she could but I have seen no evidence that Palin has a sketchy background. What I see from Palin is that she is a regular family person with conservative values. I like that. If you can provde me some evidence that she has a sketchy background, I will view it openly.
If you're running for the Chief Executive in the US, you need to know some things about the US. For instance when you're at a Political Event and the national anthem is playing, you need to know to place your hand over your heart. You also need to know that there are 50 states and not 57 (yes he actually said 57, the video is on youtube & you can read about it snopes).
And as far as ties to Islam go, I don't care if this gets me branded prejudice or whatever, but you mark my words, in our lifetime we're going to be fighting a war with them. On our soil. I used to believe that each religion had a purpose, that most religions were inherently good and taught morality to their people. Then some muslims flew airplanes into our buildings. Then Muslims started cutting American's heads off of TV. Then I got to reading about Islam. Islam is not good. They feel with all of their soul that us infidels (Infidel = ANYONE who is NOT Muslim, regardless of your Religious affiliation or lack thereof) are the enemy and deserve to be slaughtered.
Study it yourself. Don't take my word for it.
As for me, I am a 30 year old, caucasion male of Welsh descent living in the South. I grew up in a fairly conservative Baptist family of Yellow-Dog Democrats (In fact my Maternal Grandfather was State Representative for about 25 years). In some areas I am very Liberal, in some I am exceedingly conservative. But most of all I believe in the Bill of Rights.
Fair enough. We are as humans prejudice by nature, so I don't think it odd that you believe what you believe. But I do see Palin just as much of a threat as McCain is. What about her ties to the Alaskan Secessionist Party through her husband? Her doublespeak, her outright lies? Her clearly documented unethical abuse of power as Governor? How much research have you actually done in to her, or are you just listening to what their campaign camp tells you? Here, just for starters: http://commonmistakes.blogspot.com/2008/08/top-ten-sarah-palin-scandals.htmlThere is no such thing as a politician who is a regular family person with conservative values. You have to lie to win in the political world. But I don't expect you to agree with that. Who cares if Obama didn't put his hand over his heart? What is the point of making an issue out of such a thing? I never stood for the Pledge of Allegiance in high school, does that make me unpatriotic? I can't seem to understand this argument against Islam that I hear from various people. Let's assume for just a moment, that you're right, and Islam is a completely violent religion and that is all it is. So? How does this differ from Christianity? Oh, right, because one book openly says to do what the other book's 'peaceful' followers have BEEN doing all along anyway. Christians believe too that anyone not from their religious affiliation are infidels as well. Now let's assume that you're wrong. That you're just doing what scared, bigoted American's have been doing since 9/11: taking isolated events and assuming they represent everyone from that religion. Thousands of Muslims take their religion very seriously, and violently. What about the other millions? If they were so violent, why haven't we had this war ALREADY?
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