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« on: October 05, 2008, 03:20:23 PM »

If you're on this forum, I'm going to assume you've already seen Zeitgeist. Well, they've made a sequel, this time about the banking system and the corpolitical empire.
<a href="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=7065205277695921912" target="_blank">http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=7065205277695921912</a>
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 05:59:22 PM »

I just started watching it.  I'm only 1/4 the way through and I've already learned more than I already knew and I am one to be informed about these sorts of things.  Well worth one's time.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 08:24:20 PM »

I just finished it.
Highly recommended to everyone!
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 09:19:36 PM »

Very good documentary. I don't appreciate its demonization of the free market but otherwise good.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2008, 12:51:17 AM »

I agree, a good documentary.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2008, 03:28:52 AM »

Excellent documentary, thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 11:14:39 AM »

Its very interesting and I would be curious to know more about the people who produced it. They seem to have a fairly large budget for special effects, actors, and cameras and I am wondering why they aren't main stream and why they aren't demonized on TV and the news? My internal conspiracy voice is starting to wonder.

I was curious how this point of view would be received by sane people so I ran it across a few random people. The first lady I asked how she would feel about a world with no need for politicians. Her answer was "who is going to keep all those gay people from marrying?! They are trying to teach it in school now! Do you want your kid learning how to have a gay wedding!? So of course I asked her if she meant that marriage should be kept between a man and a woman for religious reasons or tax reasons and the question mark on her face gave me my answer. The conversation quickly devolved into "there has to be rules, otherwise everyone would run around killing each other!" of course she wouldn't kill anyone but she was quite sure that everyone else would.

The second guy I asked if he had no bills, no need for money, and could do anything, what job would he choose. His answer was of course "I am much too busy to bother with such nonsense."

We have invested so much into this monetary system that the majority of the people would likely NEVER give it up with out much re-education. We have invested our whole lives into paying off debt and to think that we have wasted so many years for nothing is liable to make the average person a bit angry. Even if it benefits every person on the planet they are not likely to support it. I am in the unique position to have 2 months off a year with nothing to do and I can tell you that with out work, I am more busy than with work.

Isn't the real problem control and power? It seems that there will always be people who desire control and power, even in a resource based world. Perhaps though, in a resource based world it will be much easier to spot them, just like when we spotted those offering paper for gold and silver...

I am going to watch it again.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 06:34:19 PM »

I get in these debates very frequently, so I'll help you out here..

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The conversation quickly devolved into "there has to be rules, otherwise everyone would run around killing each other!" of course she wouldn't kill anyone but she was quite sure that everyone else would.

Haha, I hear this one all the time. Where I live, if my neighbors thought ill of me they could do whatever they wanted and the cops would not stop them. Protecting life and property is my responsibility.

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The second guy I asked if he had no bills, no need for money, and could do anything, what job would he choose. His answer was of course "I am much too busy to bother with such nonsense."

The sad thing is, this is not a pipe dream, its very doable. That guy just needs to learn to think outside his lifestyle paradigm. This is extremely hard to get across to people, even people who are 99.9% the way there like free market anarchists for instance.

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I am in the unique position to have 2 months off a year with nothing to do and I can tell you that with out work, I am more busy than with work.

Same experience for me! Don't have the capital to escape rent at the moment, but I'm working on it..

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2008, 05:09:15 PM »

One thing is very clear, we are all being attacked, and nobody is defending themselves. This is an economic war to take over our respective nations via debt. We need to figure out what the weapons are that we can fight back with. I would say to all of you who haven't read 'Art of War' to go read it and then read it again and ask yourself "how can these answers be used on the economic battle ground."

The free market is not bad. It is unfortunate that they had to make it seem like the problem. Fractional Reserve Banking is not the same thing as the free market. The best time in the history of our country was under the free market minus FRB. The current situation is not.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2008, 07:43:54 PM »

One thing is very clear, we are all being attacked, and nobody is defending themselves. This is an economic war to take over our respective nations via debt. We need to figure out what the weapons are that we can fight back with.

The biggest weapon is just to stop spending money as much as possible, at least that's my conclusion. After 9/11, Bush told the country to keep "spending"...and it hit me right then, that was our biggest weapon. I would also imagine reducing as much debt as possible, as the current economic system depends on debt.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2008, 10:23:55 AM »

Holy crap, I saw a commercial on TV that said "We are a nation of consumers... and there's nothing wrong with that... just make sure you don't go over your head." Our consent and our money gives them all the power. Lets take it back.

I agree with you 101011, we need to stop spending, get out of debt, and by all means not get back in. There is more we can do though I'm still working out the details.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2008, 10:03:48 PM »

I saw that commercial too and it didn't sit well with me.  Mostly because they are encouraging the activity of giving up the only leverage we have as a population, the excess to our money... or maybe I'm wrong.  I don't know Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 12:23:23 AM »

Interesting spin Alex Jones has about this film. He's saying that right off the bat this movie opens introducing the "Global Christ", Krishnamurti who represents the highest masonic order. Alex Jone's argument is that they're using this film as a viral platform to discredit all religion so they can bring in a new global religion. In other words this film has a lot to do with the Theosophical Society, and much of it is in plain sight. I don't know how much I buy into this argument, as I find the guy (Jones) pretty radical, but at the same time I do think it's a good reminder to think critically about all the media you take in.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 06:40:09 PM »

That is pretty weird considering I got the same feeling as Alex. I noticed that the theme was very similar to the Georgia Guide Stones and a few other things. More research is needed. (should I be worried that I am thinking like AJ? I don't even listen to his show but once or twice a year.)
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