While listening to this I happened to hear what almost sounded like an EVP...but I couldn't tell if it was a sound effect or EVP. Can you confirm this Cimm if it was a sound effect? The time that it happens is 30:49.

Thank you, that does help! Is it possible to get the unedited version of that same clip that you listened too? About 10 seconds before and afterwards of it? I'd like to post it on another website that I run that is involved with ghost hunting. Plenty of people have disregarded any validity of such things occurring during simple recordings. I'll post credit and link back to the TFTA section to drive more traffic that way.

I'd be curious to get more information on the approximate time and location that Sean was recording from...if any events happened in the area, or to him or his family around that time frame. If it's possible, what kind of equipment might have been used during that recording?

Not to start a fight, but I've noticed on those ghost hunter shows they never have a true skeptic/scientifically oriented person in their team.

Sure they say they are a skeptic, because it gives a certain appeal.
"Well their skeptic agreed it was EVP so it must have been!"

Meh.

I'll take a look at the files sometime when I get around to it.

Chances are it was a breath of wind or w/e that got messed up in the encoding.
True skeptic here heh.

Don't get me wrong. If there is evidence that disproves my views, I will take it in and re-evaluate my thoughts and ideas.

I'm not one of those 'set-in-stone' guys who you can't persuade with proper evidence.

I just don't trust a complete stranger who says God is everywhere, and take it as fact. I only use this as an example of what I mean.

I'm a logical man, simply stated.

I would have to ask the person who is skeptical, what is their criteria for certain events? My own criteria would be the "lock and key" scenario...someone asks a personal question only the post-mortem entity would know and that entity responds with an answer.

To to begin to understand, what criteria are people planning on using for their personal take on the EVP?

Paranormal is defined as "not scientifically explainable" by Merriam Webster.
Supernatrual is a bit more complex.
Not to say Merriam Webster is 100%.
I'd think that something Supernatural is almost always Paranormal. You could lob your Gods, Miracles, Ghosts, all that crap in with Supernatural. All of it is also Paranormal, or at least most of it is when you have a predispositioned mindset towards it.
The religious guy is going to see "heaven" when he has a near death experience.
I'm going to have a really weird dream when I have a near death experience. (I know, I have done this.)
Would I say it was X being's plan to make me see my dream? No.
You cannot tell the guy who saw God in his NDE that it was jut an overactive brain going into *panic* mode being deprived of oxygen. He simply will not believe you.

Fueling the fires of this discussion.

I agree. The groups that use "paranormal" means to try to establish paranormal evidence are using circular logic. They're trying to prove the paranormal with the paranormal. That burns my ass every time I see other ghost hunting groups using such methods.


This is one thing that truly burns my ass too. Most of the debates I've gotten into with others about the possibility of something not being true, they'll debate it to the end. They tend to be Absolutists. Either they're called "true believers" or "skeptics." Now, I personally don't like the word "skeptic" because you have people like myself who are skeptical, but reasonable. But, last time I checked there wasn't a word for the Absolutist scale on the skeptics side. But, definitions in books aren't the "be all end all," it's important to establish definitions during a debate so communication is understood.

If I had a strange vivid dream like experience during an NDE, I wouldn't stamp my foot in either direction in terms of belief. Is the possibility of it being paranormal there? Sure. Is the possibility of it being completely natural? Sure. But, there's always that little bit to sway back and forth. What if it's completely natural for the brain to go through such activity during NDE, which opens the flood gates for the paranormal experience?

I've personally had experience with an EVP that I've explained before in a thread. Totally shocked and creeped me out because it was in my own house. So, when I hear another EVP, I'm skeptical...but the possibility of it being true is also there. Which is why I start asking questions.